Time Sync Problems: Answers to Questions on Moving Train Synchronization

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The discussion revolves around the synchronization of clocks on a moving train, particularly in the context of Special Relativity. Participants explore the implications of velocity addition, the effects of changing reference frames, and the conditions under which clocks may or may not remain synchronized.

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  • One participant questions the validity of adding ct+vt in the context of Special Relativity, suggesting that velocity and distance must account for dilation or contraction.
  • Another participant expresses skepticism about whether the clocks would remain synchronized once the train stops, noting that different reference frames could yield different conclusions about synchronization.
  • A participant proposes that synchronization might be affected when the train changes speed, indicating that the times on the clocks depend on the velocity of the train.
  • There is a suggestion that synchronization could be maintained at one velocity but would differ if the velocity changes.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on whether the clocks would remain synchronized after the train stops, and there are differing views on the implications of changing velocities on synchronization.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty regarding the effects of noninertial reference frames and the conditions under which synchronization is maintained or lost. The discussion highlights the complexity of applying Special Relativity principles in practical scenarios.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to those studying Special Relativity, particularly in relation to time synchronization in moving reference frames.

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http://galileoandeinstein.physics.virginia.edu/lectures/synchronizing.html" the website talks about synchronizing clocks on a moving train. But I have a few questions about it:

1) Why are you allowed to add ct+vt on the left-hand side of the first equation below the picture of the train? I thought one of the main tenants of Special Relativity was that you can't add velocities (or I'd assume distances) without taking into account the dilation/ contraction of that quantity.

2) What would happen if you stopped the train, and then looked at what the clocks say? Would they be synchronized or not? I understand that the train would enter a noninertial reference frame, which would change how they behave, BUT wouldn't both clocks be affected equally... so who is right once the train is stopped- the person who says they're synchronized, or the person who says they're not?

THANK YOU SO MUCH!
 
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whereisnomar said:
http://galileoandeinstein.physics.virginia.edu/lectures/synchronizing.html" the website talks about synchronizing clocks on a moving train. But I have a few questions about it:

1) Why are you allowed to add ct+vt on the left-hand side of the first equation below the picture of the train? I thought one of the main tenants of Special Relativity was that you can't add velocities (or I'd assume distances) without taking into account the dilation/ contraction of that quantity.

2) What would happen if you stopped the train, and then looked at what the clocks say? Would they be synchronized or not? I understand that the train would enter a noninertial reference frame, which would change how they behave, BUT wouldn't both clocks be affected equally... so who is right once the train is stopped- the person who says they're synchronized, or the person who says they're not?

THANK YOU SO MUCH!

It didn't say that velocity is added, ct+vt is the distance which had been through a length contraction.

Though I didn't learned much of it, I don't think that the clock would be synchronized. Because according to the rest frame it is not synchronized even when the train is still moving, for different frames have different synchronization.
 
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So at what point would the person on the train see them leave synchronization, then?
 
schaefera said:
So at what point would the person on the train see them leave synchronization, then?

I think just when the train changes speed. Look at the time of rear and front, they depend on c+v and c-v, so when v changes time would change. Synchronization means when the two times are equal, but if they are equal at one v they got to be different when v changes.
 
Any other ideas?
 

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