Time vs distance Question using Force

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The problem involves a skier descending a slope, where the forces acting on the skier, including friction and gravitational components, are to be analyzed to determine the time taken to stop and the distance traveled. The scenario is set in the context of kinematics and dynamics, specifically focusing on forces and motion on an inclined plane.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the forces acting on the skier, including the normal force and friction. There is an exploration of breaking down the weight force into components along the slope. Some participants question the initial calculations of distance and time, suggesting a need for reevaluation of the forces involved.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights into the correct identification of forces and the need to apply Newton's laws appropriately. There is an acknowledgment of errors in previous calculations, and some guidance is offered regarding the net force in the x direction and its relation to acceleration.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the importance of considering the slope's angle and the correct application of friction in the calculations. There is a recognition that the initial assumptions may not fully account for all forces acting on the skier.

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Homework Statement


A sight seen on many bunny hills across Ontario is young skiers pushing ski poles and gliding down a slope until they come to rest. Observing from a distance, you note a young person (approximately 25 kg) pushing off with the ski poles to give her an initial velocity of 3.5 m/s. If the inclination of the hill is 5.0 degrees and the coefficient of kinetic friction for the skis on dry snow is 0.20 calculate:

a) the time taken for the skier to come to a stop
b) the distance traveled down the hill


Homework Equations


Ff = ukFn
Fw = mg
F = m (vf-vi/t)
F = m (vf^2 - vi^2 / 2d)


The Attempt at a Solution


a) Fk = ukmg (Fn)
= .20(25)(9.8m/s^2)
= 49 N
F = m (vf - vi / t)
t = m (vf - vi / F)
= 25kg (0 m/s - 3.5 m/s / 49 N)
t = 1.79 s

b) F = m (vf^2 - vi^2 / 2d)
d = m(vf^2 - vi^2 / 2F)
= 25kg ((0m/s)^2 - (3.5m/s)^2 / 2(49N))
d = 12.5 m
 
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sorry i calculated the distance incorrectly the distance is actually 3.1 m, which does not make much sense, so can someone please help me?
 
You have not correctly identified all the forces acting on the skier. Your relevant equations are fine, noting that F should be F_net, but the normal force (perpendicular to the plane) is not mg, and more than just the friction force acts along and parallel to the plane. You must take into account the 5 degree slope. Choose the x-axis along the slope, and the y-axis perpendicular to the slope, break up the weight force into is x and y components, and apply Newton's laws in each direction, noting that in the y direction, there is no acceleration.
 
alright so i tried that and i get this for Fnet

Fn - Fgcos5 degrees = 0
Fn = Fg cos5
= mg cos5
= 25kg(9.8m/s^2) cos5
= 244.1N

Ff - Fgsin5 = 0
Ff = mg sin5 degrees
= 25kg(9.8m/s^2) sin5 degrees
= 21.3N

F net = Ff + Fn
= 244.1N + 21.3N
= 265.4N
 
wilson_chem90 said:
alright so i tried that and i get this for Fnet

Fn - Fgcos5 degrees = 0
Fn = Fg cos5
= mg cos5
= 25kg(9.8m/s^2) cos5
= 244.1N
good.
Ff - Fgsin5 = 0
The skier is decelerating; the net force up and parallel to the plane cannot be 0.
Ff = mg sin5 degrees
= 25kg(9.8m/s^2) sin5 degrees
= 21.3N
correct this; Ff = u_k(F_n)
F net = Ff + Fn
= 244.1N + 21.3N
= 265.4N
No, you have to look at F_net in the x direction only when calculating the acceleration in the x direction; What is the net force in the x direction, then proceed per your original post to find the acceleration, time, and distance.
 

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