Topology: is this path connected?

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The discussion revolves around the connectivity properties of the set X, which is defined as the union of a sine wave and a vertical line segment in the plane. Participants are examining whether X is connected and path-connected, considering the topology induced by the open ball topology of R².

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

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  • The original poster attempts to demonstrate that X is connected but not path-connected, raising questions about the continuity of a proposed path between points in A and B. Other participants suggest clarifying the argument regarding the nature of the path and its continuity.

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Participants are actively engaging with the original poster's reasoning, providing feedback and suggesting refinements to the argument. There is an ongoing exploration of the implications of continuity and the nature of paths within the set X, with no explicit consensus reached yet.

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Participants note that the characterization of continuity in metrizable spaces has not been covered, which may limit the tools available for the discussion. The original poster also mentions the complexity of the sine function's behavior as t approaches zero, which is central to the argument.

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Homework Statement


Consider the sets [itex]A=\{(t,\sin(1/t))\in \mathbb{R}^2:t\in(0,1]\}[/itex], [itex]B=\{(0,s)\in\mathbb{R}^2:s\in[-1,1]\}[/itex]. Let [itex]X=A\cup B[/itex]. We consider on X the topology induced by the open ball topology of R².

a) Is X connected?

b) Is X path connected?

The Attempt at a Solution



a) I found that it is connected.

b) I concluded that it is not path-connected but it's a little touchy and I want a second opinion.

In case you haven't visualized the set yet, it consists of the union of the vertical line [itex]\{0\} \times [-1,1][/itex] with a sine wave on (0,1] that oscillates faster and faster as t-->0.

There is of course no difficulty in connecting two points of A or two points of B. The interesting case is when one tries to connect a point of A with one of B. Without loss of generality, let's try to connect (1,sin(1)) with (0,0). The only way is to follow the sine wave:

[tex]\gamma:[0,1]\rightarrow X[/itex]<br /> <br /> [tex]\gamma(t)=\left\{\begin{array}{cc}(0,0)&\mbox{if} \ \ <br /> t=0\\(t,\sin(1/t)) & \mbox{if} \ \ t\in(0,1]\end{array}[/tex]<br /> <br /> Is gamma continuous? Let's consider an open ball of radius, say, ½, centered at (0,0). The intersection of that ball with X is an open in X that we will call O. Let's look at the pre-image of O by gamma. It contains {0} and an infinity of open intervals of (0,1] but [itex]\gamma^{-1}(O)[/itex] is not open because it is impossible to find an open nbh of {0} that be entirely in [itex]\gamma^{-1}(O)[/itex].<br /> <br /> N.B. We haven't covered caracterisation of continuity in metrizable spaces, so I can't use that.[/tex]
 
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You almost got it. First of all, don't try to write an explicit formula for gamma. Your argument needs to apply to any possible path, not just that one. Next, what does this mean?

quasar987 said:
It contains {0} and an infinity of open segments of (0,1] but [itex]\gamma^{-1}(O)[/itex] is not open because it is impossible to find an open nbh of (0,0) that be entirely in [itex]\gamma^{-1}(O)[/itex].

I think you have the right idea, but its a little confusing. In the last part, are you talking about (0,0) or its preimage? I think you mean the latter, but you haven't rigorously argued why this should be true.
 
Yes, I've edited the OP: (0,0) became {0} and "open segments" became "open intervals".
 
What I've shown but not written in my post is that the path connecting (0,0) to (1,sin(1)) must take every value of (t,sin(1/t)) for t in (0,1] otherwise the path is not continuous. So the gamma I've written up there can be used without loss of generality because at most, another path would have points on the little vertical line [itex]\{0\} \times [-1,1][/itex], but this is irrelevant to my argument.

Also, it is easy but tiresome to show that given any radius r for an open-ball nbh of {0}, I can identity an interval [a,b] with 0<a<b<r that corresponds to two consecutive zeroes of sin(1/t), and I can find a sub-interval [c,d] with a<c<d<b for which the points (t,sin(1/t)) are outside of O.
 
quasar987 said:
What I've shown but not written in my post is that the path connecting (0,0) to (1,sin(1)) must take every value of (t,sin(1/t)) for t in (0,1] otherwise the path is not continuous. So the gamma I've written up there can be used without loss of generality because at most, another path would have points on the little vertical line [itex]\{0\} \times [-1,1][/itex], but this is irrelevant to my argument.

Fine, but just because it passes through all those points doesn't mean it's the function you wrote, which passes through them without changing direction and at constant speed. We're really arguing over nothing though, because you never use that function in the rest of your proof, so all you need to do is erase it (and say what you said above about passing through all the points).

Also, it is easy but tiresome to show that given any radius r for an open-ball nbh of {0}, I can identity an interval [a,b] with 0<a<b<r that corresponds to two consecutive zeroes of sin(1/t), and I can find a sub-interval [c,d] with a<c<d<b for which the points (t,sin(1/t)) are outside of O.

What you said here is plenty to show it. I don't know what else you'd need to say without being needlessly detailed. It's just that what you had before was not enough.
 
Cool, thanx. :cool:
 

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