Torque about the axle of a rotating disk

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The discussion revolves around a problem involving torque related to a rotating disk with specified forces acting on it. The original poster is seeking clarification on how to determine the direction of torque produced by these forces and which forces contribute to torque based on their orientation relative to the axis of rotation.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster questions how to identify whether each force results in positive or negative torque without clear direction indicators. They also inquire about which forces do not produce torque, specifically in the context of a disk.
  • Another participant reflects on the concept that forces acting parallel to the axis do not produce torque and asks about the components of forces acting at angles, seeking to understand which component contributes to torque.
  • There is a suggestion to utilize the vector form of the torque equation to clarify the situation further.
  • A participant requests to see the drawing from the problem to assist in understanding the forces involved.

Discussion Status

The discussion is actively exploring the concepts of torque and force components. Participants are raising relevant questions and seeking clarification on the principles involved. There is no explicit consensus yet, but the dialogue is productive, with suggestions for further examination of the problem's diagram and the vector equation for torque.

Contextual Notes

The original poster notes the ambiguity in the problem setup regarding the directions of forces and their effects on torque, which may impact their ability to analyze the situation effectively.

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Homework Statement


"The 19.8 cm diameter disk rotates on an axle through its center. F1=18.1 N, F2=26.6 N, F3=26.6 N, F4=18.1 N, and d=4.64 cm. What is the net torque about the axle? "

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I have two questions about this problem:
(1) How do I know whether each force results in a negative or positive torque? I know that the torque conventions are positive if counterclockwise, and negative if clockwise, but the problem doesn't indicate the directions of the forces.
(2) Which forces result in no torque? I learned that if a force is parallel or acting on the axis (in this case, there are no forces acting directly on the axis), that force doesn't produce any torque. How do I denote which force is acting parallel to the axis, since its a disk?


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Forces acting parallel to the axis don't produce torque?

Homework Statement


I learned that if a force is acting parallel, or acting on the axis of rotation, it doesn't produce torque. If a force is acting at an angle to the axis, does that mean that only ONE component of that force (ie. the y or x component) actually produces torque?

How do I know which one is the force component that doesn't produce torque, if it's not a straightforward situation like an opening door, and instead, a more ambiguous situation like a rotating disk?


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kathyt.25 said:

Homework Statement


I learned that if a force is acting parallel, or acting on the axis of rotation, it doesn't produce torque. If a force is acting at an angle to the axis, does that mean that only ONE component of that force (ie. the y or x component) actually produces torque?

How do I know which one is the force component that doesn't produce torque, if it's not a straightforward situation like an opening door, and instead, a more ambiguous situation like a rotating disk?


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The Attempt at a Solution


That's why you use the vector form of the equation for calculating the torque. Can you show us that vector equation?

Torque = ??
 
(I merged your two threads asking a common question)

Also, we would need to see the drawing from the problem to help you with the question on which forces do what.
 

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