Torricelli/bernoulli physics homework

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The problem involves a tank filled with liquid that has a hole at the bottom, with the goal of determining the velocity of the liquid exiting the hole, the time to drain the tank, and the actual time to drain the entire tank. The context is rooted in fluid dynamics, specifically relating to Torricelli's Law and Bernoulli's principle.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the relationship between the outflow velocity and the height of the liquid, with one participant attempting to apply Torricelli's Law. Questions arise regarding the inclusion of density in the equations and the relationship between velocity and the rate of change of height.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the problem, offering hints and exploring relationships between variables. There is a mix of uncertainty and attempts to clarify concepts, with no explicit consensus reached on the equations or methods to be used.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the challenge of recalling relevant concepts and equations, indicating a potential gap in prior knowledge. There is also mention of a deadline for finding references, which may influence the urgency of the discussion.

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Homework Statement


The homework my professor gave me is...

We have a tank filled with a liquid, it has a hole at the bottom of the tank. The tank does not taper. the hole is at the bottom and not on the side. No extra pressure is applied to the liquid to help it drain and the top of the tank is open too. The top is labeled with an A for the area at the top of the tank. The height is on the side. The hole at the bottom of the tank is labeled a.
He is wanting us to find the equations, the reason the letters have no values. I attached a picture of the tank/drawing and labeling.


Homework Equations


I will list the questions here.

1. What is the velocity of "a"?
2. What is the time to drain the tank with initial velocity of "a"?
3. What is the actual time to drain entire tank?


The Attempt at a Solution



1. V2=√2χgχh
2. I have not found anyway to calculate yet.
3. V=Q/A


I was curious to know if I was on the right track. It has been really tough trying to remember. Honestly I am not sure if i ever covered this before. Please help me.
 

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Hi Lairreiy! Welcome to PF! :smile:

(please don't use χ for "times": either use nothing, or use * :wink:)
Lairreiy said:
1. V2=√2χgχh

Shouldn't there be a density in there somewhere? :confused:
2. I have not found anyway to calculate yet.

Hint: what is the relation between V and dh/dt ? :smile:
 
Ok Tiny Tim sorry for the X's. I was not sure what most would prefer. My instructor uses them for some odd reason and I was trying to be as specific as possible. Honestly to answer your question about the relations ship about V and dh/dt, I have no idea. I just really need to get some references in a book to find these problems by monday and I knew this would be the best way. It is so hard at an older age to remember things. I really need some help on this one. Do you know the equations? Or Am I on the right path? Thank you very much for hints! :)
 
Hi Lairreiy! :smile:

(just got up :zzz:)
Lairreiy said:
… to answer your question about the relations ship about V and dh/dt, I have no idea.

Hint: if the main area is A and the area of the hole is a,

imagine that there's a pipe of area a attached to the hole …

if the pipe fills to a length x, how much does the height h go down? :wink:
 
tiny-tim said:
Hi Lairreiy! Welcome to PF! :smile:

(please don't use χ for "times": either use nothing, or use * :wink:)


Shouldn't there be a density in there somewhere? :confused:


Hint: what is the relation between V and dh/dt ? :smile:


Tim: Torricelli's Law states that the outflow velocity is a function of g and the height of the liquid above the hole. The density is not a factor.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torricelli's_law
 
SteamKing said:
Tim: Torricelli's Law states that the outflow velocity is a function of g and the height of the liquid above the hole. The density is not a factor.

oops! i don't know what i was thinking :redface:

thanks :smile:
 

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