Torsion of a thick-walled arbitrary open section bar

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The discussion revolves around the torsion of thick-walled arbitrary open section bars, specifically focusing on the challenges of analyzing maximum shear stress and twist angle using both finite element analysis (FEA) and approximate hand calculations. Participants explore methods for calculating torsion constants and the applicability of existing formulas for different cross-sectional shapes.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant analyzed various open cross-section bars using FEA and seeks to compare results with hand calculations, expressing curiosity about approximate methods for thick-walled bars.
  • Another participant requests clarification on the specific shapes being analyzed to provide more targeted assistance.
  • A participant shares images of typical open profiles and expresses surprise at the lack of examples for torsion calculations for these profiles.
  • One participant suggests that the referenced website contains applicable formulas for the beam configurations, directing others to explore it further.
  • Another participant notes that while the website lists properties related to torsion, they believe the formulas for circular sections cannot be directly applied to non-circular sections due to warping effects.
  • One participant mentions that existing material on the subject tends to simplify the application of such shapes, making it difficult to find quick calculations.
  • A participant expresses a desire to analytically solve the problem and considers using differential equations or hydrodynamic analogies, seeking additional resources.
  • Another participant questions the purpose of the polar moments of inertia and torsional constants listed on the website, pondering their potential use in calculations despite the challenges posed by warping.
  • One participant shares a specific resource that may provide further insights into the topic.
  • A later reply indicates that using formulas designed for thin-walled bars yielded good agreement with FEA results, suggesting that these methods may not be limited to thin-walled sections.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying degrees of uncertainty regarding the applicability of certain methods and formulas for thick-walled bars. There is no consensus on a definitive approach, and multiple competing views remain regarding the use of existing torsion constants and the effectiveness of thin-walled methods.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge limitations in the existing literature and methods, particularly concerning the applicability of formulas for circular sections to non-circular shapes, as well as the challenges posed by warping in calculations.

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How to calculate maximum shear stress and twist angle of a thick-walled arbitrary open cross-section (e.g. I, T, L, C) bar subjected to torsion ?
Hi,

I analyzed various open cross-section (I, T, L, C) bars using FEA to find maximum shear stress and twist angle. Now I would like to compare these results with approximate hand calculations. Just out of curiosity. However it's not easy to do it analytically. I know about a method of dividing open section into several rectangles and calculating and then summing their torsion constants. Unfortunately the books say that this method applies to thin-walled sections and I would like to solve some thick-walled bars. So is there any other approximate method I could use or maybe the one mentioned above can be used even for thick-walled bars ? Of course I realize that results won't be exact. If there's no approximate method then do you know about any examples for these sections with the use of differential equations ?

Thanks in advance for your help
 
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Can you please give an example of the kind of shape you are analyzing?
 
Sure, here's a picture showing sections I would like to analyze:
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They are all typical open profiles often used for bars. Thus I'm a bit surprised that it's so hard to find any examples of torsion calculations for these profiles.

Source of images: https://structx.com/geometric_properties.html
 
If you go to your above reference and click on each of the pictures, it will open a page with the applicable formulas you are seeking for that beam configuration.
 
Yes, among the properties listed on this website there are some related to torsion - polar moment of inertia and torsional constant. However I don't think that they can be used to calculate max shear stress and twist angle in this kind of section like it's done for circular section: ##\tau_{max}=\frac{Tr}{J_{z}}## and ##\theta=\frac{TL}{JG}## (##T## - torque, ##r## - distance from central axis, ##J_{z}## - polar moment of inertia, ##J## - torsional constant, ##G## - shear modulus). These formulas apply to circular sections only due to warping of non-circular shaft.
 
If you google the subject you will see that material on this is related to the safe application of such shapes and is therefore simplified by factors and graphs. On the technical side there many references under "torsional stress of structural beams", none of which lends itself to a quick and easy calculation.
 
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I do realize it won't be easy but I would like to try solving it analytically just out of curiosity. If the method for thin sections won't give meaningful results here then I will at least take a look at the approaches involving the use of differential equations. Or maybe hydrodynamic analogy may help. I will be glad if you share some resources that you know about.

I also wonder what is the purpose of these polar moments of inertia and torsional constant listed on the aforementioned website. Maybe they can be used somehow, but not with the regular equations for circular section. However there might be a way to account for warping in calculations utilizing these constants.
 
Thanks, I used the formulas designed for thin-walled bars to solve the examples that were previously analyzed with FEA and I've found out that there's a very good agreement. Apparently these methods are not limited to thin-walled bars only. Or maybe my examples were close enough to this approximation.
 

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