Total Angular Momentum Commutation Relations for 2 Particle

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The discussion revolves around the total angular momentum for a two-particle system, specifically focusing on the commutation relations associated with the total angular momentum operator. Participants are exploring how to express the total angular momentum and its components, as well as the implications of these expressions on the commutation relations.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the formulation of the total angular momentum operator and its components. There are attempts to derive commutation relations and clarify the nature of the operator J^2. Questions arise regarding the necessity of certain expansions and the interpretation of commutation relations.

Discussion Status

Some participants have made progress in identifying specific commutation relations, while others are seeking clarification on the definitions and properties of the operators involved. There is a mix of understanding, with some participants expressing uncertainty about the correct approach to take.

Contextual Notes

There is an emphasis on ensuring that the definitions and properties of vector operators are correctly understood, particularly in relation to the commutation relations being discussed. Some participants express confusion over the operator J^2 and its formulation.

Sekonda
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Hey,

I'm not exactly sure how much this question wants, however the two in question are parts a) and b) below.

Commutations.png


So part a) asks to write the expression for the total angular momentum J, I though this was just:

\hat{J}=\hat{J}^{(1)}+\hat{J}^{(2)}

but when we come to showing it satisfies similar commutation relations - I'm not really sure how to do this, I was thinking of expanding J like so

\hat{J}=\hat{J}_{x}+\hat{J}_{y}+\hat{J}_{z}=(\hat{J}^{(1)}_{x}+\hat{J}^{(2)}_{x})+(\hat{J}^{(1)}_{y}+\hat{J}^{(2)}_{y})+(\hat{J}^{(1)}_{z}+\hat{J}^{(2)}_{z})

but wasn't sure if this was the correct route and if the last expansion or even the first was necessary.

Part b I think relies on the commutation relations which we find in a) - I'm fairly sure I can show that they all commute but I don't know what expansion/what other commutation relation I need to derive in order to show these commutators are conserved.

Thanks for any help!
SK
 
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Sekonda said:
Hey,

I'm not exactly sure how much this question wants, however the two in question are parts a) and b) below.

Commutations.png


So part a) asks to write the expression for the total angular momentum J, I though this was just:

\hat{J}=\hat{J}^{(1)}+\hat{J}^{(2)}

but when we come to showing it satisfies similar commutation relations - I'm not really sure how to do this, I was thinking of expanding J like so

\hat{J}=\hat{J}_{x}+\hat{J}_{y}+\hat{J}_{z}=(\hat{J}^{(1)}_{x}+\hat{J}^{(2)}_{x})+(\hat{J}^{(1)}_{y}+\hat{J}^{(2)}_{y})+(\hat{J}^{(1)}_{z}+\hat{J}^{(2)}_{z})

but wasn't sure if this was the correct route and if the last expansion or even the first was necessary.

Part b I think relies on the commutation relations which we find in a) - I'm fairly sure I can show that they all commute but I don't know what expansion/what other commutation relation I need to derive in order to show these commutators are conserved.

Thanks for any help!
SK


You're on the right track. Define the total angular momentum vector as you did, and the individual components in a similar way. You should then be able to explicitly find the commutators by working them out explicitly in terms of the single particle operators and the commutation relations given.
 
Ahh good to know, will give it a try now and get back if I'm having trouble!
 
I managed to attain this commutation relation:

[\hat{J}^{(1)},\hat{J}^{(2)}]=0

and

[\hat{J},\hat{J}^{(1/2)}]=0

but that's all, I think those are all I need?
 
You are keeping in mind that ##\hat{\vec{J}}## is a vector, right? The commutation relations involve individual components of this vector and the (non-vector) operator ##\hat{J}^2##.
 
Though I seem to be having trouble showing

[\hat{J},\hat{J}_{z}]=0
 
Ok so the operator

\hat{J}^{2}

is equal to what? The individual components squared and then summed? Or the sum of the individual components squared?
 
Sekonda said:
Ok so the operator

\hat{J}^{2}

is equal to what? The individual components squared and then summed? Or the sum of the individual components squared?
The J operators are vector operators:

\hat{J}^2=\hat{\vec{J}}\cdot\hat{\vec{J}}

What is the dot product of two vectors in terms of the component vectors?
 
Sekonda said:
Ok so the operator

\hat{J}^{2}

is equal to what? The individual components squared and then summed? Or the sum of the individual components squared?
That's really something you should know or at least look up in your textbook before asking here.
 
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No worry I've managed to do it now, was getting confused over the J^2 operator...

Cheers guys!
SK
 

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