Total probability with different probabilities

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The discussion revolves around calculating the probability of a girl obtaining a college degree based on various characteristics such as gender, handedness, and geographical location. Participants explore the implications of conditional probabilities and independence in this context, with a focus on how to combine different probabilities accurately.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how to calculate the probability of a Californian, right-handed girl earning a college degree, noting that simply multiplying probabilities may lead to misleading results.
  • Another participant introduces a mathematical approach using conditional probabilities and independence assumptions, suggesting a formula for calculating P(A|B,C) based on given probabilities.
  • A further clarification is made about adjusting probabilities based on the overall population's chance of earning a degree, indicating that one should multiply by the ratio of specific to general probabilities.
  • A participant attempts to refine the problem by adjusting the probabilities for right-handed girls and California girls, questioning the accuracy of their calculations and the impact of changing conditions on the outcome.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the correct method for calculating the probability, with differing interpretations of how to apply conditional probabilities and independence. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the accurate calculation and the implications of changing the conditions.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the assumptions of independence and the definitions of the probabilities involved. There are unresolved mathematical steps in the calculations presented, and the implications of changing conditions are not fully explored.

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I have a silly question that has actually been kinda racking my brain since I have almost no formal education when it comes to probabilities. Let's say I know that a girl has a 40% chance of earning a college degree. Let's also say that right handed people have a 30% chance of earning a college degree. Then let's keep tossing in things like california girls have a 50% chance of getting a college degree. Obviously you can keep finding characteristics of that girl and find the statistics behind their success in getting a college degree.

Now the grand question is... what is the probability that a californian, right-handed, girl has of getting a college degree? I assume we can't simply multiply probabilities because it seems like you can keep throwing probabilities out like that and eventually make the probability nearly 0 even though it can't be...
 
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A = person goes to college, B = person is female, C = person is right-handed
You are given P(A|B) and P(A|C) and wish to find P(A|B,C). Let's assume that B,C are independent, and also assume that B,C are conditionally independent given A--that is, P(B,C|A) = P(B|A)P(C|A), and P(B,C) = P(B)P(C).
So,
P(A|B,C)=P(A,B,C)/P(B,C) = P(A)P(B,C|A)/P(B,C) = P(B|A)P(C|A) P(A)/(P(B)P(C)) = P(A|B)P(B)/P(A) P(A|C)P(C)/P(A) P(A)/(P(B)P(C)) = P(A|B)P(A|C)/P(A)

So instead of just multiplying by P(A|C), you multiply by P(A|C)/P(A)
 
mXSCNT said:
So instead of just multiplying by P(A|C), you multiply by P(A|C)/P(A)

Or, cutting out all the Baysian stuff (good, but if you haven't had a probability class I don't imagine it would make sense):

If a foo has a 30% chance of getting a degree, but a person (including foos and non-foos) has a 35% of getting a degree, you should be multiplying by .30/.35 rather than .30.
 
Yah this is what sucks about never having taken a statistics class :(.

So let me make the problem more accurate and tell me if i do this right. A girl has a 40% chance of having a bachelors degree. Girls who are right handed have a 50% chance of having a degree. Girls who live in california have a 30% chance of having a degree.

Thus the probability that a girl who is right handed who lives in california will have a (.4*.4*.4)/(.3*.5) chance of having a degree? Thus a 42.6% chance?

What if say, the 2nd condition "girls who are right handed have a 50% chance of having a degree" was changed to "people who are right handed have a 50% chance of having a degree"?
 

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