Tracking states of randomness with three states

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The discussion revolves around the concept of states of randomness in quantum mechanics, specifically exploring how systems can exist in multiple states, with a focus on transitioning from two states to three states. The conversation touches on theoretical implications and mathematical representations relevant to quantum systems, such as the color charge of quarks.

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  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant asserts that matter can only exist in one state at a time but questions how systems can be understood when considering three states, referencing Schrödinger's cat as a conceptual starting point.
  • Another participant challenges the interpretation of Schrödinger's cat, arguing that it is misleading to suggest the cat is in a state of being both alive and dead, and emphasizes that quantum mechanics has evolved to better explain measurement outcomes beyond binary states.
  • A participant expresses a need for mathematical explanations related to the topic for a science fair project, indicating a desire for more technical detail.
  • Another participant inquires about the math background of the previous poster to tailor the explanation accordingly.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants exhibit differing interpretations of quantum states, particularly regarding the implications of Schrödinger's cat thought experiment. There is no consensus on how to mathematically represent systems with three states, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach to explain these concepts mathematically.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the complexity of quantum mechanics and the varying interpretations of measurement outcomes. There are indications of missing assumptions regarding the mathematical frameworks needed to describe systems with multiple states.

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This discussion may be useful for students and enthusiasts interested in quantum mechanics, particularly those exploring the mathematical aspects of quantum states and their implications in theoretical physics.

Zachary Nichols
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I know that matter can only exist in one state at a time; however at the quantum level knowing what state it is in at a set time is impossible to know for sure until you look at the system. Like with how Schrödinger cat is in a state of randomness between the two states of dead and alive until you open the box.That leads me to the question, how does it work when it comes to three states over two, because I've only been able to find how it works with two. A system to think about would be the color charge of quarks.
 
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Let's put Schrödinger's cat aside, because neither Schrödinger nor anyone else has seriously suggested that the cat is both alive and dead at the same time; the cat is either dead or alive just as a coin sitting on the floor is either heads-up or heads-down even if you're not close enough to see which it is. Schrödinger proposed this paradox to point out a flaw in the then-current (75 years ago) understanding of quantum mechanics: although there was no doubt that the cat would always be either dead or alive, quantum mechanics did not satisfactorily explain why. Much progress has been made in this area since then (google for "quantum decoherence", but be warned that some of the math is heavy going).

So with that said: there are plenty of states in which there are more than two possible measurement outcomes. Put a system into one of those states and make a measurement, and you might get any of those outcomes. An example would be an electron in free space: there is an infinite number of positions (mostly fairly close to one another) where you might find it if you make a sufficiently precise measurement of its position.
 
Thank You this has really helped me understand a few things, but is there anyway you could explain it in math terms. I'm trying to do a science fair project and I need to explain the math portion. If you can't can you direct me to a starting point.
 
Zachary Nichols said:
Thank You this has really helped me understand a few things, but is there anyway you could explain it in math terms. I'm trying to do a science fair project and I need to explain the math portion. If you can't can you direct me to a starting point.

What is your math background?
 
ap calc with a little calc 2 and 3 (self study)
 

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