Train Crash Kills 25 in LA: A Tragic Story

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The discussion centers around the tragic train crash in Los Angeles that resulted in the loss of 25 lives. Participants express their condolences and reflect on the implications of rail safety and the state of passenger rail systems in the United States compared to other countries. The conversation touches on the efficiency of train travel, the compatibility of passenger and freight trains, and the overall perception of rail travel in America.

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  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express sorrow over the loss of life and reflect on the physics involved in train crashes.
  • There is a sentiment that the impact of the crash must have been significant, even at lower speeds.
  • Some participants criticize the media coverage of the incident, suggesting that it is overshadowed by other news events.
  • Concerns are raised about the inadequacy of the U.S. rail system, particularly the shared use of railbeds by passenger and freight trains.
  • Others argue that the slow speeds of American trains deter people from using them, contrasting this with high-speed rail systems in other countries.
  • Some participants share personal experiences with train travel, highlighting the convenience of trains in certain contexts, such as travel between major cities.
  • There is a discussion about the time efficiency of bullet trains compared to airplanes for shorter distances, with some participants providing calculations to support their views.
  • Several participants emphasize that the perception of train travel in the U.S. is influenced by the lack of high-speed options and the vast distances involved.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the effectiveness and appeal of train travel in the U.S. versus other countries. There is no consensus on the best approach to improve rail systems or the reasons for low passenger train usage.

Contextual Notes

Some arguments depend on assumptions about travel times, distances, and the efficiency of different modes of transportation. The discussion reflects varying perspectives on the feasibility and desirability of high-speed rail in the U.S.

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http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-me-traincrash13-2008sep13,0,245095.story"

Man, this is really terrible. The last time I remember something like this happening was when some guy left his car on a Metrolink track. A sorry example of physics at work :(.
 
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That is really a very sad loss of life. Even at a slow rate of speed, the impact had to be tremendous.
 
I don't see any report of such a tragic on TV, news via network is not worthy of care.
There are sites that create fake cheap news to earn web readers attention, this is just so normal
 
http://www.knbc.com/news/17462062/detail.html

Its pretty much been covered everywhere, its just that Ike is taking center stage right now.
 
The idea of passenger trains and freight trains using the same railbed in a modern country is pathetic.. We are so far behind other first world nations on passenger rail it is ridicilous.
 
Nobody will ride passenger trains. It takes too damn long to go across the country in a train.
 
Of course other countries don't see things that way. If America was the same width as Japan you'd see just as many high speed trains here. the high speed rail cannot compensate enough to make people use it here.
 
tribdog said:
Nobody will ride passenger trains. It takes too damn long to go across the country in a train.

The http://www.thalys.com/be/nl/dienstregeling/Brussel/Parijs covers the 262 flight kilometers between Brussels and Paris in 1 hr and 22 minutes. Just go to the station and hop in.

Should you travel by car, plan at least four hours for the horrible traffic jams.

Going by plane looses the two hours mandatory reporting time at the airport before take off.

Guess what's by far the quickest way to travel from Brussels to Paris?
 
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tribdog said:
Of course other countries don't see things that way. If America was the same width as Japan you'd see just as many high speed trains here. the high speed rail cannot compensate enough to make people use it here.
I take the train (AMTRAK) from NY to Washington DC when I have business there. It's actually more convenient than a car. Once I get to Union Station, I can take the Metro to any number of stations near a hotel or office where I need to go. These days, it costs less to take the train than drive the car and pay for parking - and I can sit back and relax on the train (and even work if I'm inclined).

I've ridden on the Shinkansen from Tokyo to Osaka, and a regional from Osaka to Takamatsu - and back. The Shinkansen is great!

I've ridden the TGV from CDG (Paris) to Lyon, and that is an excellent ride. I don't even need a car. Beats a car, bus or flying.

If we had the equivalent of a Shinkansen or TGV - I'd take it, except possibly for Coast to Coast travel.
 
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Andre said:
The http://www.thalys.com/be/nl/dienstregeling/Brussel/Parijs covers the 262 flight kilometers between Brussels and Paris in 1 hr and 22 minutes. Just go to the station and hop in.

that doesn't even get me 1/2 way across the state.
 
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Stop being such a pessimist...
 
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tribdog said:
that doesn't even get me 1/2 way across the state.

It all depends on how you look at it. It takes me an hour and a half to get to the Phoenix Airport. I must arrive there at least one hour before departure time. I am already 2 1/2 hours into the trip and haven't left the ground.
 
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tribdog said:
Nobody will ride passenger trains. It takes too damn long to go across the country in a train.

For trips shorter than 1000 miles, a bullet train is actually quicker than an airplane. Do the math:

A bullet train can cover the 1000 miles in 5 hours vs. 2.5 hours in an airplane. Edwards above, hasn't even left the ground by 2.5 hours.
 
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tribdog said:
that doesn't even get me 1/2 way across the state.

Most trips, even in the US, are short.
 

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