Trajectory of a proton as it moves between the plates

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The discussion revolves around the trajectory of a proton moving between charged plates, focusing on the nature of its motion—whether it is circular or parabolic. Participants explore the effects of electric fields on the proton's path and the forces acting on it.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants question what determines the shape of the proton's trajectory and the type of acceleration involved in circular versus parabolic motion. There is an exploration of the relationship between the proton's acceleration and its motion along the field lines.

Discussion Status

There is an active exchange of ideas regarding the nature of the proton's motion, with some participants providing arguments for parabolic motion while others seek to clarify the conditions that would exclude circular motion. Guidance has been offered regarding the types of acceleration involved, though uncertainty remains about the implications of terminal velocity.

Contextual Notes

Participants discuss the influence of forces such as gravity, electric repulsion, and air resistance on the proton's motion, noting that the acceleration is zero before entering the plate area and becomes non-zero within that region.

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Homework Statement


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Homework Equations


What makes the shape circular/ parabolic?
what determines the direction?

The Attempt at a Solution


Because the furthermost plate is positive, the proton would be repelled towards the screen, so i or iii. How do I know the shape?
 

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Cicicicici said:
How do I know the shape?
What kind of acceleration generates circular motion? What about parabolic motion? Which do you have here?
 
kuruman said:
What kind of acceleration generates circular motion? What about parabolic motion? Which do you have here?
Hi, is it because the proton is accelerating along the field lines not perpendicular to them? so it is a parabolic motion?
 
You provided a valid argument for parabolic motion. To answer with certainty, you need to provide an argument for excluding circular motion. What is that argument?
 
kuruman said:
You provided a valid argument for parabolic motion. To answer with certainty, you need to provide an argument for excluding circular motion. What is that argument?
ummmm... I'm not sure. Has it got something to do with the proton reaching terminal velocity before the plates?
 
Cicicicici said:
ummmm... I'm not sure. Has it got something to do with the proton reaching terminal velocity before the plates?
Nope. That's there to indicate that the vertical component of the velocity is constant. What kind of acceleration does an object in a circular path have? What's the difference between that kind of acceleration and the kind you have here?
 
kuruman said:
Nope. That's there to indicate that the vertical component of the velocity is constant. What kind of acceleration does an object in a circular path have? What's the difference between that kind of acceleration and the kind you have here?
Centripetal acceleration? And this one is just uniform?
 
Correct on both accounts. Centripetal acceleration changes direction to stay perpendicular to the velocity. Here the direction of the acceleration is fixed in space and is perpendicualr to the velocity instantaneously only when the proton enters the plate region.
 
kuruman said:
Correct on both accounts. Centripetal acceleration changes direction to stay perpendicular to the velocity. Here the direction of the acceleration is fixed in space and is perpendicualr to the velocity instantaneously only when the proton enters the plate region.
I am a bit confused - isn't the acceleration zero here? (because it is at terminal velocity?)
 
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How many different forces act on the proton?
 
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kuruman said:
How many different forces act on the proton?
gravity and repulsion from the positive plate?
 
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And some kind of air resistance otherwise the proton would not have reached terminal velocity before entering the plate area. The acceleration is zero before the proton enters the plate area. When it enters the plate area, the acceleration is no longer zero.
 
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kuruman said:
And some kind of air resistance otherwise the proton would not have reached terminal velocity before entering the plate area. The acceleration is zero before the proton enters the plate area. When it enters the plate area, the acceleration is no longer zero.
Ah! right. Thank you!
 

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