Transcendental equation from a finite square well potential

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The discussion revolves around solving a transcendental equation related to a finite square well potential in quantum mechanics. The equation involves parameters such as the width of the well and energy levels, specifically focusing on the conditions for bound states.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants explore various substitutions and transformations of the original equation to facilitate solving for energy levels. There is discussion about the number of bound states and the conditions under which they can be found.

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Some participants have provided insights into the nature of the transcendental equations involved and suggested alternative methods for graphing and analyzing the solutions. There is recognition of the complexity in identifying all possible solutions, with hints at re-evaluating graphical representations to uncover additional intersections.

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Participants note that the potential function's characteristics may influence the number of solutions, and there is a specific focus on the behavior of the tangent function in relation to the solutions sought. The original poster expresses uncertainty about the number of bound states derived from their calculations.

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if I have a transcendental equation such as this one: tan(l a) = -l / sqrt (64/a^2 - l^2 ) Where
l=sqrt(2m(E+V) /hbar^2 ) and 'a' is the width of a finite square well, how can I solve this equation in terms of both l and a. I have successfully graphed the two sides of the equation together by assuming 'a' to be any constant, i.e 1 . but how can I graphically solve it and extract an exact solution for E that includes a.

note: there are supposed to be three bound states:3 different solutions for E
 
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It might help to let ##z = a l## and express the transcendental equation in terms of ##z## alone.

Note: For this type of problem you generally get two different transcendental equations. One for wave functions that are symmetric about the center of the well and one for anti-symmetric functions.
 
letting x = la, I got this http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=tan(x)+and+-x+/+sqrt(64+-+x^2)


but i only have 2 bound states .


here's the question, please tell me what I am doing wrong:

V = infinity for x<0 and V= -Vo = -32hbar^2 / ma^2 for 0<x<a and V= 0 for x>a

I let l = sqrt(2m(E+Vo)/hbar^2) and k = sqrt(-2mE/hbar^2)

from the continuity of ψ at a: Be^(-ka) = Asin(la) (1)

and from the continuity of dψ/dx at a : -kBe^(-ka) = lAcos(la) (2)

divide (1) by (2) to get -l/k = tan(la) (3)

but k^2 + l^2 = 2mVo / hbar^2 , so k = sqrt(64/a^2 - l^2)

put the new k back in (3) to get tan(la) = -l / sqrt(64/a^2 - l^2)

finally let x = la ----> tan(x) = -x / sqrt(64 -x^2)


from which i get only two intersections on the positive y axis.


"Note: For this type of problem you generally get two different transcendental equations. One for wave functions that are symmetric about the center of the well and one for anti-symmetric functions."

TSny, the potential function is not even in this problem so I think it's only one transcendental. equation
 
Oh, I didn't know that you were taking V = ∞ for x<0.

Your work looks correct to me. There are in fact 3 solutions. The third one is difficult to pick up on your graph. Can you find it by regraphing?

Here's a trick I've seen. By squaring both sides of your transcendental equation and using some trig identities, show that the solutions must satisfy

##|\sin (z)| = z/8##

The graph of this is easier to analyze. However, you only want the solutions where you also satisfy the condition that ##\tan (z) <0##.
 
"The graph of this is easier to analyze. However, you only want the solutions where you also satisfy the condition that tan(z)<0. "

but where does this requirement come from?
 
user3 said:
"The graph of this is easier to analyze. However, you only want the solutions where you also satisfy the condition that tan(z)<0. "

but where does this requirement come from?

Look at your original transcendental equation.
 
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