Transcendental numbers: interesting perspectives

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The discussion revolves around the transcendental nature of the number e, with participants exploring various mathematical perspectives and connections, including topology and abstract algebra. The original poster is preparing a presentation for a first-year undergraduate class and seeks accessible yet engaging avenues to enhance the topic.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mixed

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  • Participants discuss potential connections to the Lindemann–Weierstrass theorem, the significance of the equation e^{i\pi} + 1 = 0, and the challenge of presenting concepts like irrationality measures and continued fraction expansions. There are inquiries about the intuitive understanding of e's irrationality measure and possible links to complex analysis.

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The conversation is active, with various ideas being proposed and explored. Some participants express concerns about the complexity of certain concepts, while others suggest topics that may resonate with students. There is no explicit consensus on the best approach, but several productive directions are being considered.

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Participants note that the presentation must remain accessible to first-year undergraduate students, which may limit the technical depth of the concepts discussed.

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Hi,

I'm presenting a proof that e is transcendental, but I want to spice up the presentation a bit by exploring some interesting perspectives, such as connections to topology, abstract algebra etc. I've already selected the Lindemann–Weierstrass theorem as a possible candidate. Can you suggest some other avenues? This is a first-year UG class, so the concepts used cannot be so technical as to be unexplainable in a timeframe of an hour. Thanks!

Molu
 
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Something that's stuck with me for a long time is this equation:
e^{i\pi} + 1 = 0
In it appear five of the most important symbols in mathematics. It might strike some of them as very odd that e and \pi cannot be represented with a finite number of decimal digits, and that i is as unreal as a number can get, yet all three combine to make -1.

Maybe some of the less jaded among these students will appreciate this.
 
Ok, we could talk about that, but that's rather too basic for a 2nd sem undergrad class. Most of the students have already encountered that material in high-school, they would appreciate something slightly more challenging.
 
Anything else?
 
Liouville numbers (the first historic transcendentals), irrationality measures? Why does e have irrational measure 2 like algebraic numbers? Continued fraction expansions? Stuff like that?
 
Ah, that's what I was looking for. Though irrationality measure seems a very difficult thing to wrap your mind around, so I don't know if we can effectively explain that in a short time period, but let's see. Incidentally, is there any particularly intuitive reason for e having the irrationality measure 2? Thanks.
 
It must come from looking at the continued fraction expansion. I've never looked at it, but it might not be too hard. There's a reference in here http://planetmath.org/encyclopedia/IrrationalityMeasure.html
 
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Any possible connections with complex analysis?
 

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