Transforming to curved manifolds

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The discussion revolves around the transformation between flat and curved spaces, specifically examining the possibility of transforming Cartesian coordinates in a flat 2D plane to spherical coordinates on a unit 2-sphere. The scope includes theoretical considerations of topology and coordinate transformations.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant asserts that the Riemann tensor vanishes in flat space and questions whether a transformation exists from flat Cartesian coordinates to curved spherical coordinates.
  • Another participant points out the topological difference between the non-compact 2D plane and the compact 2-sphere, suggesting they are not topologically isomorphic.
  • A later reply asks if any coordinate transformation, regardless of complexity, could create an illusion of being on the plane instead of the sphere.
  • Another participant responds that no such transformation exists, although transformations can approximate flatness on small regions of the sphere.

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Participants generally agree on the topological differences between the two spaces, but there is disagreement regarding the existence of coordinate transformations that could create an equivalent experience of flatness on the sphere.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights limitations related to the assumptions of compactness and flatness, as well as the nature of coordinate transformations in different geometrical contexts.

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I know that the Riemann tensor vanishes in a flat space. And no amount of co-ordinate transformations can go from a flat space to a curved space.

Does that mean there is no transformation that will go from, say Cartesian 2D, to (\theta,\phi), the co-ordinates usually used for the unit 2-sphere? I say this since the first space is flat, and the second is curved.
 
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Topoloically, the 2-dimensional plane is non-compact, while S^2, the 2-dimensional (surface of a) sphere is compact, so, globally, these two are not "the same", i.e., not topologically isomorphic.
 
Thanks for your reply. I did know that, but is there no co-ordinate transformation (however exotic) that can make me think I'm on the plane instead of the sphere?
 
No, there is no such coordinate transformation. There are, of course, transformations for the surface of a sphere that are 'approximately' flat and will look like R2 on a sufficiently small region.
 
Many thanks, to the both of you.
 

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