Travel 7 Light Years at 50000km/s - How Long?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around calculating the time it would take to travel 7 light years at a speed of 50,000 km/s. Participants explore various calculations and assumptions related to relativistic effects, acceleration, and the implications of long-duration space travel.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant initially calculated a travel time of 42 years but expressed uncertainty about this result.
  • Another participant suggested a different calculation yielding 1 year, indicating confusion about the results.
  • There was a request for clarification on the initial calculation, particularly regarding assumptions about acceleration and constant speed.
  • It was noted that traveling at 1/6th the speed of light results in a travel time of approximately 42 years, with relativistic corrections being minimal.
  • Participants discussed the gamma factor for the given speed, indicating that the relativistic effects are not significant at 50,000 km/s.
  • One participant expressed curiosity about the experience of such a long journey, indicating a desire for a different outcome than the calculated 42 years.
  • Another participant mentioned that at higher speeds, such as 0.8c, the gamma factor becomes more significant, affecting perceived travel time.
  • One participant introduced the idea that with constant 1G acceleration and deceleration, the trip could be completed in just over 4 years of ship time, reaching a top speed of 0.97c.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the travel time, as multiple calculations and assumptions are presented. There is ongoing discussion about the implications of relativistic effects and different travel scenarios.

Contextual Notes

Some calculations depend on assumptions about constant speed versus acceleration, and the discussion includes varying interpretations of relativistic effects based on different speeds.

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I'm intrigued to hear your answers on this one.
let's say i would like to drop by one of my pals on a certain planet, 7ly away. I got to 42 years but it doesn't really sound correct.
 
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Just tried an other formula and got 1 year, I'm lost haha.
 
Welcome to PF. :smile:

Can you show us your calculation that got you to 42 years? Did you assume any acceleration/deceleration times, or just simplified it to that speed for the whole trip?
 
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Spockishere said:
Summary: I'm intrigued to hear your answers on this one.

let's say i would like to drop by one of my pals on a certain planet, 7ly away. I got to 42 years but it doesn't really sound correct.
That speed is about ##\frac c 6##. So, yes, about ##42## years. Although a little less.
 
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You're going at 1/6th the speed of light w/r to the target. At that velocity, the relativistic corrections are on the order of 1%. They're pretty much irrelevant. So the answer actually is just about six times seven = 42 years. Minus maybe half a year.
 
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Thanks for the answers guys.
 
berkeman said:
Welcome to PF. :smile:

Can you show us your calculation that got you to 42 years? Did you assume any acceleration/deceleration times, or just simplified it to that speed for the whole trip?
Thanks for the warm welcome! I used this formula ( 1/(sqrt(1-v^2/c^2)). And i just simplified it to one constant speed for the whole trip.
 
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Thanks for the warm welcome! I used this formula ( 1/(sqrt(1-v^2/c^2)). And i just simplified it to one constant speed for the whole trip.
That's the one! It's the gamma factor. But, for ##v = \frac c 6##, we have:
$$\gamma = \frac{1}{\sqrt{1 - \frac{v^2}{c^2}}} = \frac{1}{\sqrt{\frac{35}{36}}} \approx 1.014$$Which is not very significantly different from ##1## and implies only a ##1.4 \%## difference between Earth time and spaceship time for the journey.
 
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Spockishere said:
Summary: I'm intrigued to hear your answers on this one.

but it doesn't really sound correct.

Out of curiosity, why were you doubting the results? IMO, actually doing some math before posting a question puts you in pretty exclusive club. ;-)
 
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Grinkle said:
Out of curiosity, why were you doubting the results? IMO, actually doing some math before posting a question puts you in pretty exclusive club. ;-)
I wasn't really doubting the results, i just hoped they were wrong. I was curious as to how a space voyage would feel like at those distances. 42 years is a lot haha. And thanks.
 
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Spockishere said:
I wasn't really doubting the results, i just hoped they were wrong. I was curious as to how a space voyage would feel like at those distances. 42 years is a lot haha. And thanks.
Even at ##0.5c## the gamma factor is only about ##1.15##. That's still not very significant. You need to get up to ##0.8c## where the gamma factor is ##1.67## to make a real difference.

Interstellar space travel is never going to be easy.
 
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Spockishere said:
I wasn't really doubting the results, i just hoped they were wrong. I was curious as to how a space voyage would feel like at those distances. 42 years is a lot haha. And thanks.
But you are better than Apollo 12 and Apollo 13. They even needed ##0.5 ms## more from relativistic effects, mainly gravitational time-dilation.

Source:
https://ntrs.nasa.gov/citations/19720022040
 
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However at constant 1G acceleration then decelleration you could make the 7 LY trip in a little over 4 years ship time, but would hit a top speed of 0.97c

there are a number of calculators online for this
 

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