Tree Cutting Word Problem: Why Does the Short Tree Hit the Ground First?

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves two trees of the same mass density and width being cut at the base simultaneously, with the question focusing on why the shorter tree hits the ground first. It is presented as a word problem without explicit equations.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the effects of gravity on the two trees, questioning how the height impacts the motion. Some suggest considering the distance each tree must fall and whether height correlates with speed. Others propose using a pole at an angle to analyze forces and motion through free body diagrams and conservation of energy.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants offering hints and alternative approaches. There is a debate regarding the necessity of equations in solving the problem, with some asserting that quantitative answers require mathematical understanding, while others highlight that qualitative insights can still be gained without them.

Contextual Notes

Participants are navigating the constraints of a word problem format, which may limit the explicit use of equations. There is also a discussion about the initial conditions, such as the angle or speed of the trees, which remain unspecified.

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Homework Statement



a tall tree and a short tree of the same mass density and width are cut at the base at the same time. why does the small tree hit the ground first?

Homework Equations



none. its a word problem

The Attempt at a Solution


gravity id pushing in different ways?
 
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simple hint: How far does the top of the tree have to move for a small and for a large tree? could a tree that's twice as tall move twice as fast?

harder: replace the tree with a pole with length l. suppose it's at an angle A from the vertical. Draw a free body diagram and find all the forces. You could also find the speed at angle A with conservation of energy. Solve the differential equation for the movement of the tree. (probably needs to be done numerically)
A problem is what the initial angle, or the initial speed of the tree would be.
 
saying that a word problem has no relevant equations is just silly. If there are no equations, then you are not going to get any answer.
 
phinds said:
saying that a word problem has no relevant equations is just silly. If there are no equations, then you are not going to get any answer.

really? because the answer above you helped me and they didnt use any equations?
 
physicsgurl12 said:
really? because the answer above you helped me and they didnt use any equations?

Yes, you're right, of course. I should have said, you won't get a quantitative answer. You'll notice that willem DID talk about equations. To really understand what's going on, you need the math.

EDIT: And it IS silly to say that a word problem has no equations. If you don't understand that, you aren't going to get far in answering word problems.
 

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