Trignometry to non-right angled triangles?

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The discussion revolves around the applicability of trigonometric functions to non-right-angled triangles, exploring whether concepts learned from right-angled triangles can be extended to acute and obtuse triangles. Participants examine the definitions and derivations of sine and cosine, as well as the relevance of the Law of Sines and Law of Cosines.

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  • Some participants express that trigonometric functions are fundamentally based on right-angled triangles and question their direct applicability to other types of triangles.
  • Others argue that while the definitions of sine and cosine involve right triangles, these functions can still be applied to non-right triangles through transformations or by using the Law of Sines and Law of Cosines.
  • A participant suggests that the derivation of the Law of Sines and Law of Cosines relies on breaking down non-right triangles into right triangles, maintaining that the geometric meaning of trigonometry is tied to right triangles.
  • Some participants propose that sine and cosine can be defined independently of right angles, referencing their derivation from differential equations and infinite series.

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There is no consensus among participants. Some maintain that trigonometric functions are inherently linked to right triangles, while others argue for broader definitions that extend beyond right angles.

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Participants highlight the dependence on definitions and the potential limitations of applying trigonometric concepts to non-right triangles without transformation. The discussion reflects varying interpretations of the foundational concepts of trigonometry.

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I learned trignometry on the basis of right-angled triangles.Is it applicable to all(acute and obtuse) triangles?and how do you explian cos or sin(<=90),since it's no longer associated with right angled triangle?.can anyone please clarify.
 
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Well, the basic definition of trigonometric functions use the word "hypotenuse" nd hypotenuse is associated to only right triangles.
Hence we can't directly apply trigonometric functions on other triangles but if some how you convert the given triangle into a right triangle then you can apply it and use it.
A Larger part of Maths and Physics (numerical questions) are just about transformations, transformations of the unknown into the form you know well.
And so if you want to apply trigonometric functions on other triangles, you need to convert a part of them into right triangles without breaking any law.
 
You might look up the Law of Cosines, and the Law of Sines, which are trigonometric identities which apply to any shape triangle.
 
Though Law of cosines and sines apply to all shapes but there derivation is based on right triangles only.
Even in there derivation a part of the triangle is made to be right angled as i mentioned in my earlier post, and then the laws have been derived.
 
CN495 said:
I learned trignometry on the basis of right-angled triangles.Is it applicable to all(acute and obtuse) triangles?and how do you explian cos or sin(<=90),since it's no longer associated with right angled triangle?.can anyone please clarify.


You may want to to read here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trigonometric_functions , the section "Unit-Circle Definitions", where the basic trig. functions are extended to real functions.

You will have to learn about angles measured in radians and some other stuff (trig. identites, trig. equations, calculus on trig. functions, etc.) , and this is one of the most beautiful and important stuff high school students study in mathematics, imo.

DonAntonio
 
Even after having a look on that link i would say the same, the geometrical meaning of trigonometry is associated with only right triangles.
 
Zubeen said:
Even after having a look on that link i would say the same, the geometrical meaning of trigonometry is associated with only right triangles.

When applied to non-right triangles, the Law Of Sines and Law Of Cosines are used. One way that you can derive these "Laws" is to break the non-right triangle into right triangles and compute the relations among the pieces. Although the definitions of sine and cosine involve only right triangles, they can be applied to more complex situations that can be broken into right triangles.
 
It is perfectly possible to derive the properties of the sine and cosine functions based on definitions wholly independent of the concdept of "right angles".

For example, they can be regarded as the solutions of a second-order Sturm-Liouville differential equation; the periodicity of the functions is in this case a derivable property, rather than an "axiomatic" property.
 
arildno said:
It is perfectly possible to derive the properties of the sine and cosine functions based on definitions wholly independent of the concdept of "right angles".

For example, they can be regarded as the solutions of a second-order Sturm-Liouville differential equation; the periodicity of the functions is in this case a derivable property, rather than an "axiomatic" property.



Not only that: these functions can be defined by infinite power (complex or real) series, and they also can be defined by means of the complex exponential function...

DonAntonio
 

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