Trigonometric Integration and U Substitution

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the process of trigonometric integration and the application of u-substitution in calculus, specifically focusing on the integral of cos^3(x). Participants explore the steps involved in the integration process and address confusion regarding the treatment of differential elements like du and dx.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about how du "disappears" in the integration process and questions the validity of discarding terms represented by du.
  • Another participant challenges this understanding by comparing du to dx and emphasizes the importance of recognizing their roles in integration.
  • There is a discussion about the differentiation of the result obtained from the integral, with one participant attempting to clarify how the derivative leads back to cos^3(x).
  • Some participants highlight the need to consider the chain rule when differentiating expressions involving u and its relationship to x.
  • Concerns are raised about the separation of cos(x) from sin^3(x) and the implications of the factor of 1/3 in the differentiation process.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the treatment of du and its implications in the integration process. There are competing views on how to interpret the relationship between du and dx, as well as the validity of discarding terms during integration.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include potential misunderstandings regarding the roles of du and dx, as well as unresolved questions about the differentiation process and the handling of constants in the integration steps.

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Hi,

We were going over trigonometric integration in Calculus II the other day. I got the basic idea, but get lost when we're doing the u-substitution.

We had a problem like this:

\int cos^3 (x) dx

Then we did:

\int (1 - sin^2 (x)) cos(x) dx

Starting u-substitution:

u = sin(x)
And
du = cos(x) dx

So then we have:
\int (1 - u^2) du

All reasonable so far. But then, du just kind of disappears.

u - u^3/3
Which is
sin(x) - 1/3 sin^3 (x) + c

I see how u-substitution works when its something simple, but I can't see how the answer here can be derived to get what was given before.
 
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What do you mean du disappears? Do you think dx "disappears" as well when you integrate f(x) dx? I'm not sure you really understand what dx is supposed to represent, in your own words tell me what it is.

Your other question I'm guessing is how is the derivative of

sin(x) - \frac{1}{3} sin^{3}(x) + c

equal to

cos^{3}(x)

Well differentiate your result you get:

cos(x) - sin^{2}(x)cos{x} = cos(x) \left(1 - sin^{2}(x) \right) = cos(x) \cdot cos^{2}(x) = cos^{3}(x)

Does that help?
 
I know what dx is, but I didn't really express my question in the best way. If you like though, in terms of integrals, dx is the infinitesimal parts that the area of a curve is split up into.

The thing is, du isn't just equal to dx. I mean it represents something else, in this case cos(x). Doesn't that matter?

Also your explanation confuses me. How and why did you separate a cos from the sin^3?

The most I could figure out is you could use the chain rule:

sin(x) - sin^3 (x)
cos(x) - 3 sin^2 (x) cos(x)
cos (x) \left(1 - 3 sin^2 (x) \right)

That 3 gets in the way though.

Basically what I'm looking for is, if you have something expressed in terms of u and du, with no other variables, then it is valid to just discard everything represented by du?
 
truthfinder said:
Also your explanation confuses me. How and why did you separate a cos from the sin^3?

The most I could figure out is you could use the chain rule:

sin(x) - sin^3 (x)
cos(x) - 3 sin^2 (x) cos(x)
cos (x) \left(1 - 3 sin^2 (x) \right)

That 3 gets in the way though.

You forgot the 1/3 before sin^3(x) thus when you differentiate this term, the 1/3 cancels out and you are left with sin^2(x)
 
truthfinder said:
I know what dx is, but I didn't really express my question in the best way. If you like though, in terms of integrals, dx is the infinitesimal parts that the area of a curve is split up into.

The thing is, du isn't just equal to dx. I mean it represents something else, in this case cos(x). Doesn't that matter?
You are right du isn't dx, it does represent something else but not cos(x), it reprents cos(x) dx i.e. once again some infit. change but that's because u isn't x, it's now sin(x) so when you were integrating sin^3(x) dx you were looking at the height*width scenario and were letting your width be infit. small so you would take smaller and smaller intervals but letting the number of them go to infinity, now you are changing what you are integrating and so now have to change with respect to what, i.e. you are expressing your height and therefore your width in a different manner. Does this help you understand it?
truthfinder said:
Also your explanation confuses me. How and why did you separate a cos from the sin^3?

The most I could figure out is you could use the chain rule:

sin(x) - sin^3 (x)
cos(x) - 3 sin^2 (x) cos(x)
cos (x) \left(1 - 3 sin^2 (x) \right)

That 3 gets in the way though.

Basically what I'm looking for is, if you have something expressed in terms of u and du, with no other variables, then it is valid to just discard everything represented by du?

You forgot 1/3.
 

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