Trouble finding direction of two force vectors

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving two force vectors acting on a block with a mass of 2kg. The forces are given in unit vector notation, and the participants are exploring how to determine the net force, its magnitude, and direction, as well as the acceleration of the block.

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  • Participants discuss the calculation of the net force by summing the two vectors and question the method used to find the direction of the resultant force. There is confusion regarding the use of the dot product versus vector addition.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided hints about using trigonometry to find the angle of the resultant vector. There is an ongoing exploration of how to correctly interpret the vector components and their implications for direction.

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Participants note the importance of understanding unit vectors and the distinction between vector addition and dot product. There is also mention of needing to plot the vectors for better visualization.

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Homework Statement

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A block of mass 2kg is accelerated by the two forces F1 = 8i + 3j and F2 = -5i - 7j, (a) What is the net force on the block in unit vector notation, and what is its magnitude and direction? (b) What is the magnitude and direction of the acceleration?

Homework Equations


I'm not sure of the equation for the direction.

The Attempt at a Solution


I was able to dot the two vectors to get the Force, but I am stuck from here.
 
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By convention, i,j,k are the unit vectors (of length 1) in the positive x,y and z axis respectively. By using i,j,k you have already taken into account for direction.
 
JeremyG said:
By convention, i,j,k are the unit vectors (of length 1) in the positive x,y and z axis respectively. By using i,j,k you have already taken into account for direction.
In the back of my book it gives answers, and the answer for this involves a degree though.
 
Yes, that is the answer for the second part of the question, part (a):
Gradyjenkinz said:
and what is its magnitude and direction?

I must've misunderstood your question.

You already have the net force in vector notation, am i right? Noting that i and j are unit vectors in the x and y direction, resolve your net force vector into the x and y direction. Then you should be able to see what you need to do to get the direction.

Hint: you need trigonometry
 
Gradyjenkinz said:

Homework Statement

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A block of mass 2kg is accelerated by the two forces F1 = 8i + 3j and F2 = -5i - 7j, (a) What is the net force on the block in unit vector notation, and what is its magnitude and direction? (b) What is the magnitude and direction of the acceleration?

Homework Equations


I'm not sure of the equation for the direction.

The Attempt at a Solution


I was able to dot the two vectors to get the Force, but I am stuck from here.
Can you show your work so far? Note that forces sum to yield a net force.
 
gneill said:
Can you show your work so far? Note that forces sum to yield a net force.
Yeah sure. So far I dotted the two vectors and I got Fnet = 3i - 4j, then F=5 for the magnitude. I then plotted the vectors on a graph and not sure what to do from here.
 

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Gradyjenkinz said:
Yeah sure. So far I dotted the two vectors and I got Fnet = 3i - 4j, then F=5 for the magnitude. I then plotted the vectors on a graph and not sure what to do from here.
I don't know what you did here, but the dot product of two vectors is a scalar, not another vector.

https://www.mathsisfun.com/algebra/vectors-dot-product.html

The resultant of two vectors F1 and F2 is found by vector addition, or Fres = F1 + F2

In other words, you add the i and j components of each vector together to produce the resultant vector.
 
Gradyjenkinz said:
Yeah sure. So far I dotted the two vectors and I got Fnet = 3i - 4j, then F=5 for the magnitude. I then plotted the vectors on a graph and not sure what to do from here.

Plot your net force similarly. Do you understand how and why the magnitude of 3i - 4j is 5?
 
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Gradyjenkinz said:
Yeah sure. So far I dotted the two vectors and I got Fnet = 3i - 4j,

Note that what you did was not a dot product, it's a sum. You would write (8i + 3j)+(-5i - 7j) = 3i - 4j, not (8i + 3j)⋅(-5i - 7j) = 3i - 4j.

To find the angle, make a drawing of 3i - 4j.
 
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JeremyG said:
Plot your net force similarly. Do you understand how and why the magnitude of 3i - 4j is 5?
Thank you, I got it. I plotted it and then took the inverse tan to get the angle.
 

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