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The discussion revolves around a proof by contradiction demonstrating that there are infinitely many prime numbers. The original poster expresses confusion regarding a specific part of the proof involving the construction of a number q based on a finite list of primes.

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  • Participants explore the implications of the definition of q and its relationship to the primes. Questions arise about the divisibility of q by the primes in the assumed finite list.

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Some participants provide clarifications on the reasoning behind why no prime in the list can divide q, suggesting that this leads to the conclusion of the existence of at least one additional prime. There is an ongoing exploration of the proof's logic without a clear consensus on the original poster's understanding.

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The original poster is seeking a simpler explanation of a specific segment of the proof, indicating a potential gap in understanding the foundational concepts of prime numbers and divisibility.

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I'm having trouble with this proof: Prove that there are infinitely many prime numbers, using proof by contradiction. My teacher gave it to us the first day of class, but I'm a little lost:

Assume there are finitely many prime number,
P1, P2, P3,...,Pn.

Let q=(P1*P2*P3*...*Pn)+1

Then, for all 1≤i≤n, Pi does not divide q, so therefore there must be at least Pn more prime, Pn+1.
Here we reach a contradiction since we assumed there were only n primes. Therefore our assumption is in error and there are infinitely many primes. #

I don't understand the portion in red. Can anyone please explain it in simple terms?

Thanks.
 
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What part do you specifically not understand? That pi doesn't divide q?
 
It just means that based on how q is defined (all n primes multiplied, then one added) there is no prime that can divide q.

This suggests that p is either a prime itself or is not composed of prime factors.

The second case is impossible, and the first contradicts our claim of there being only n primes.
 
SMA_01 said:
I'm having trouble with this proof: Prove that there are infinitely many prime numbers, using proof by contradiction. My teacher gave it to us the first day of class, but I'm a little lost:

Assume there are finitely many prime number,
P1, P2, P3,...,Pn.

Let q=(P1*P2*P3*...*Pn)+1

Then, for all 1≤i≤n, Pi does not divide q, so therefore there must be at least Pn more prime, Pn+1.
Here we reach a contradiction since we assumed there were only n primes. Therefore our assumption is in error and there are infinitely many primes. #

I don't understand the portion in red. Can anyone please explain it in simple terms?

Thanks.
Instead of saying

Then, for all 1≤i≤n, Pi does not divide q, so therefore there must be at least Pn more prime, Pn+1.​
you could expand this a little and say

Then, for all 1 ≤ i ≤ n, q ≡ 1 (mod Pi). Thus, Pi does not divide q, so therefore there must be at least one more prime, Pn+1.
 
I'm not sure how convincing this is, but maybe this will make it clear:



Let
k = x_{1}x_{2}...x_{n} and x_{i} =/= 1

In other words, k equals a bunch of numbers multiplied, and we aren't letting any of them be one (because they have no effect on the value of k.)

Now consider k + 1.

k + 1 = x_{1}x_{2}...x_{n} + 1

Now let's assume that k + 1 is divisible by some x_{i}.

Then, there exists some integer l such that x_{i}l = k + 1

Then l = \frac{k}{x_{i}} + \frac{1}{x{i}}

But this doesn't make sense. \frac{k}{x_{i}} is guaranteed to be an integer because we know that k is divisible by x_{i}, and \frac{1}{x_{i}} is guaranteed to not be an integer, because it is the reciprocal of some non-one number.

So, adding them together is guaranteed not to be an integer.

Therefore, there isn't a single x_{i} that divides k+1.
 

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