Trouble w/ setting up the equations for capacitive circuits

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The discussion revolves around setting up equations for capacitive circuits, specifically addressing the relationships between charge, capacitance, and voltage. Participants are exploring the correct application of capacitance in equations and the implications of circuit configurations on these relationships.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants are questioning when to include capacitance in the denominator of equations relating charge and voltage. There is confusion regarding the application of the formula Q = CV in different contexts, particularly in summing charges versus calculating potential differences.
  • Some participants suggest reducing the circuit to equivalent capacitances, similar to resistive circuits, to simplify analysis, while others express concern about losing information about individual capacitors.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing insights and alternative approaches. There is an exploration of different methods to analyze the circuit, including the potential benefits and drawbacks of reducing the circuit to equivalent capacitances. No consensus has been reached, but various lines of reasoning are being examined.

Contextual Notes

Participants are navigating the complexities of capacitive circuits, including the need to understand the implications of circuit configuration on charge and voltage relationships. There is an emphasis on the importance of individual capacitor values in the analysis.

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Homework Statement


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Homework Equations


.Q = CVab

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I am having a hard time understanding when to put the capacitance in the denominator. I get that Voltage = Charge/Capacitance, but for the equation circled in red "q1/c + q2/c = q3c" ... I don't get why each of those charges have their corresponding value of capacitance under it. If you look at two equations up "q2+q3 = q4" does need the capacitance in it.
 
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Blockade said:
I am having a hard time understanding when to put the capacitance in the denominator. I get that Voltage = Charge/Capacitance, but for the equation circled in red "q1/c + q2/c = q3c" ... I don't get why each of those charges have their corresponding value of capacitance under it. If you look at two equations up "q2+q3 = q4" does need the capacitance in it.

If you're summing or comparing voltages (potential differences) then you want to divide the charge by its associated capacitance to obtain the PD across the given capacitor.. V = Q/C. If you're just summing and comparing charges, then you just sum or compare them directly.
 
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Wouldn't it be simpler to reduce the circuit in a manner similar to reducing resistive circuits?
For capacitors in parallel:
C = C1 + C2 + ... + Cn
For capacitors in series:
1 / C = 1 / C1 + 1 / C2 + ... + 1 / Cn
After you have the appropriate equivalent capacitances then you can begin analyzing charges and voltage drops.
 
J Hann said:
Wouldn't it be simpler to reduce the circuit in a manner similar to reducing resistive circuits?
For capacitors in parallel:
C = C1 + C2 + ... + Cn
For capacitors in series:
1 / C = 1 / C1 + 1 / C2 + ... + 1 / Cn
After you have the appropriate equivalent capacitances then you can begin analyzing charges and voltage drops.
Sure. But then you "lose" the individual capacitors with that reduction. Since you eventually want to find their individual charges and voltages that could be problematical.

On the other hand it can be used as a method towards the solution. If you first reduce down to a single equivalent capacitance then you can find the charge on it: ##Q = V_{ab}*C_{eq}##. That will also be the charge on the lone series capacitor at the bottom of the original circuit, so you can determine its voltage and by extension, the voltage across the other group of capacitors. It's a short bit of work in a similar fashion to deal out the voltages and charges to the rest.
 

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