Trouble with a second order differential equation

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The discussion revolves around a second order differential equation involving a transformation and the search for general and special solutions. The equation is given as x²*y''(x) + (2*b+1)*x*y'(x) + c*y(x) = 0, with specific conditions on the parameters b and c.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the transformation x=ez and its implications for the derivatives y'(x) and y''(x). There is an exploration of the quadratic formula's application in finding solutions. Some participants question the calculations of derivatives and the application of the product rule.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing feedback on each other's calculations. There is recognition of errors in derivative calculations, and some participants are seeking clarification on specific steps in the transformation process.

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There is a mention of specific conditions for the parameters b and c, particularly the relationships b² > c, b² = c, and b² < c, which are relevant to the solutions being sought.

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Hello all,

I'm having a little trouble getting the Latex to work, so I'm hoping this won't be too hard for everyone to understand.

Homework Statement



I am given the second order differential equation
x2*y''(x)+(2*b+1)*x*y'(x)+c*y(x) = 0

Use the transform x=ez to find the general solution.

b,c are real, and b2>c

Then, using the special solution y=xp, solve for p and confirm you get the same solution.

The find the real solutions if b2=c, b2<c

Homework Equations



The Quadratic Formula will be used

The Attempt at a Solution



For the first part, transforming the original equation:

y'(x) = \frac{dy}{dz}*\frac{dz}{dx} =y'(z)*\frac{1}{x}

similarly, y''(x) = \frac{-1}{x^2}.*y''(z)

Replacing into the original equation, I get
-y''(z)+(2b+1)*y'(z)+c*y(z).

Using the quadrtaic equation, I then get as a solution
\frac{(2b+1) \mp sqrt((4b^2)+4b+4c+1}{2}

Using these as r1 and r2, and replacing z with x, I find the general solution y(x) = c*xr1 + c*xr2

So then solving the special solution

x2*(p-1)*(p)*xp-2+x*p*xp-1+c*xp = 0

Simplifying, I get

p2+2bp+c =0

Solving for p, I get p = -b\pm sqrt(b2-c)

This obviously does not equal my other solution, so I'm wondering if anyone can see where it is I've made my mistake?
 
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You need to calculate y''(x) not y''(z).
 
JThompson said:
You need to calculate y''(x) not y''(z).

Thats what I get for trying to type my work in quickly. Typo fixed.
 
I got something different for y''(x). Did you calculate

\frac{d^{2}y}{d^{2}x}=\frac{d(\frac{dy}{dx})}{dz}*\frac{dz}{dx}

using the product rule for derivatives on

\frac{d(\frac{dy}{dx})}{dz}

?
 
JThompson said:
I got something different for y''(x). Did you calculate

\frac{d^{2}y}{d^{2}x}=\frac{d(\frac{dy}{dx})}{dz}*\frac{dz}{dx}

using the product rule for derivatives on

\frac{d(\frac{dy}{dx})}{dz}

?

Thank you. That is where my error was at.
 

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