Trouble with Orthogonality in Quantum Mechanics Algebra?

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The discussion revolves around a problem in quantum mechanics, specifically focusing on time-independent perturbation theory and the application of orthogonality in algebraic expressions involving eigenstates and potentials.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the application of orthogonality in evaluating terms within a perturbation theory context, with some questioning how to proceed after establishing certain equalities. There are attempts to clarify which terms contribute to the sums and how the indices affect the results.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing hints and guidance on how to approach the problem. Some have shared their working and expressed confusion about specific terms, while others have offered insights into the implications of orthogonality and the conditions under which certain terms may vanish.

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Participants mention constraints related to the indices of summation, particularly regarding the limits of i and how they affect the evaluation of terms in the perturbation series.

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Quantum Mechanics algebra - time independent peturbation theory

Hi

Homework Statement


The potential shown is operating on the eigenstate as shown in the pic. I am having trouble getting the second term using orthogonality (got the first term :-) ). Please Help!


Homework Equations


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The Attempt at a Solution


put the i's equal to j (i.e. orthogonality) but don't know what to do next.

Thanks
 

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Just note that, in the sum, the only nonzero term in the second part will be the one where
i + 1 = j, so i will be equal to...
 
JSuarez said:
Just note that, in the sum, the only nonzero term in the second part will be the one where
i + 1 = j, so i will be equal to...

This was part of a hint for a question on time independent pertubation theory (see pic). i was reluctant to post the whole question because i wanted a good crack at it without help but i am now stuck. i can't seem to get the 2nd order term and can't work out what happens with the first order term.

Thank you
 

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Well, you're given a formula for the energy E_0 in terms of \hat{V}, and you're given a formula for \hat{V}. What happens when you plug \hat{V} into the energy formula? If you get stuck, show your work.
 
Thanks for the replies. This is my working so far (see attachment). I have plugged V in but am stuck on the last 2 lines of my working. Using orthogonality i think you get lambda and lambda* for the 1st terms of the second-last and last-lines respectively but what about the second terms in those lines?
Thanks
 

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sxc656 said:
Thanks for the replies. This is my working so far (see attachment). I have plugged V in but am stuck on the last 2 lines of my working. Using orthogonality i think you get lambda and lambda* for the 1st terms of the second-last and last-lines respectively but what about the second terms in those lines?
Thanks

Ah, do they equal zero (the last terms) because i is from 0 to infinity and those two terms require i=-1?
 
Yeah, you can use that argument for the second term on each of the last two lines.
 

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