Quantum energy of a particle in 2 dim space

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The discussion revolves around the quantum mechanical treatment of a particle in a two-dimensional harmonic potential. Participants explore the implications of coupling between coordinates and the determination of normal mode frequencies.

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  • Participants discuss the ground state energy of a quantum harmonic oscillator and the effects of coupling between the x and y coordinates. There are inquiries about the implications of cross terms in the potential and the diagonalization of the potential matrix.

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The conversation is ongoing, with participants providing insights into the nature of the potential and its eigenfrequencies. Some guidance has been offered regarding the diagonalization process and the interpretation of eigenvalues, but further clarification is sought by the original poster.

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There are indications of potential confusion regarding the treatment of coupled oscillators and the assumptions about eigenfrequencies in different directions. The original poster has expressed a need for more detailed information on the potential matrix and its diagonalization.

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Doing this problem like e.g setting the determinant of potential matrix and the ω2*kinetic matrix equal to 0 ,det(V-ω2T)=0,I got the frequency of the normal modes of vibration to be 2ω0 and ω0 where ω0 is the natural frequency,
But sir how to treat this problem quantum mechanically?
The term z is a typographical error..

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You might do better to post this in the Advanced Physics homework forum and mention quantum in the title
 
Your potential is harmonic. What is the ground state energy of a (quantum) harmonic oscillator of frequency ##\omega##?
 
Orodruin said:
Your potential is harmonic. What is the ground state energy of a (quantum) harmonic oscillator of frequency ##\omega##?
Sir that's .5ħω for 1d motion and for 2d it is only ħω( for two independent coordinates)
But here the two independent coordinates x and y are coupled to each other
 
Apashanka said:
and for 2d it is only ħω( for two independent coordinates)
That is only true if the oscillator has the same eigenfrequencies in both eigendirections. In your case you have a problem consisting of two independent one-dimensional harmonic oscillators with different frequencies.
 
Orodruin said:
That is only true if the oscillator has the same eigenfrequencies in both eigendirections. In your case you have a problem consisting of two independent one-dimensional harmonic oscillators with different frequencies.
Yes sir that's true but what about the cross term of xy coming in the potential term??
 
Apashanka said:
Yes sir that's true but what about the cross term of xy coming in the potential term??
That just tells you that the eigendirections are not the x and y directions. If you have diagonalised the potential properly (I did not check the numerics but it seems reasonable that the problem constructor would choose values such that your frequencies come out to be integers), then you have found the frequencies in the eigendirections, which are orthogonal because the potential matrix is symmetric.
 
Orodruin said:
That just tells you that the eigendirections are not the x and y directions. If you have diagonalised the potential properly (I did not check the numerics but it seems reasonable that the problem constructor would choose values such that your frequencies come out to be integers), then you have found the frequencies in the eigendirections, which are orthogonal because the potential matrix is symmetric.
Thanks sir
 
Orodruin said:
That just tells you that the eigendirections are not the x and y directions. If you have diagonalised the potential properly (I did not check the numerics but it seems reasonable that the problem constructor would choose values such that your frequencies come out to be integers), then you have found the frequencies in the eigendirections, which are orthogonal because the potential matrix is symmetric.
Sir will you please suggest something about the potential matrix diagonalization ,the matrix terms which will appear and what actually the eigenvalues mean in this particular problem??
 

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