Troubleshooting 555 Timer Output to 2/3 Vcc

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The discussion revolves around troubleshooting a 555 timer circuit, specifically addressing the issue of the output voltage being at 2/3 Vcc instead of the expected Vcc. Participants explore potential causes and solutions related to the output voltage affecting a connected decade counter.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that the output should be taken from pin 3, which is expected to produce a square wave close to the supply voltage.
  • Another participant mentions that their output from pin 3 is maxed out at approximately 3.6 volts, while Vcc is 5 volts, suggesting interference with the decade counter.
  • There is a suggestion to double-check the power supply rails on the decade counter as a potential troubleshooting step.
  • A participant questions the effectiveness of using a pull-up resistor with the 555 timer, with another responding that it would likely not work due to the output characteristics of the 555 timer.
  • One participant advises checking for a near-short on the output signal from pin 3, which could cause the output voltage to droop, and suggests testing with a different 555 chip.
  • Another participant points out that using TTL counters may lead to normal behavior in this context, noting that the input and output voltages may not be ideal for driving these chips.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the output behavior of the 555 timer and its interaction with TTL counters, indicating that multiple competing views remain on the cause of the issue and the effectiveness of proposed solutions.

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There are limitations regarding the assumptions about the circuit configuration and the specific characteristics of the components used, which may affect the output behavior.

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I've got a 555 timer wired up like in this picture
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and my output is going to 2/3 Vcc instead of Vcc. This is leading to problems as I have hooked into a decade counter down the line which gets the low timer output and it's output shrinks as well. Any ideas on what I should try?
 
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The output should be taken from pin 3. This should be a square wave which goes within a volt of the supply voltage.

It is normal to get the voltage you did from pins 2 and 6.
 
I am taking the output from pin 3, and the output voltage is pretty much maxed out at the voltages at the max voltage on pins 2 and 6, which is about ~3.6, the Vcc is 5 and I think that's interfering with my decade counters.
 
wolfram74 said:
Any ideas on what I should try?

Yeah, double check the power supply rails on your decade counter.
 
Would a pull up resistor work with 555s?
 
A pull-up would probably not work as the 555 output both pushes and pulls...

Double check your power-supply rails at the chip. Then I would check to see that you don't have a near-short on your pin 3 output signal someplace -- that could cause the output to droop. If you can, disconnect the pin from everything and see what it does. Then try a different 555 chip to see if you've managed to booger up the output driver by accident.
 
If you are using TTL counters ( like 7490, 7493, 74192, 74193 ) then this would be normal.

These chips were OK when driving each other, but the input and output voltages were far from ideal.

A "high" was regarded as anything greater than 2.6 volts and an input actually supplied current to the device driving it.

They were also power guzzlers and many of them ran quite hot.
 

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