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The discussion revolves around knee injuries and the importance of seeking medical attention for symptoms like swelling, heat, and unusual movement. Participants share personal experiences with knee injuries, emphasizing that even minor issues can lead to long-term problems if not properly treated. Recommendations include applying ice, compression, and elevating the knee, along with taking pain relief medication like ibuprofen. There is a consensus that ignoring symptoms can lead to further damage, particularly with potential ligament or meniscus injuries. Additionally, some participants discuss their sensitivities to fragrances and chemicals, highlighting how these can trigger severe allergic reactions or health issues. The conversation underscores the need for awareness regarding both physical injuries and environmental sensitivities, advocating for proactive medical care and avoidance of harmful substances.
  • #31
I am getting more sensitive too perfumes as I get older. I take my time choosing a seat in the lecture hall when we have exams because it can be really distracting to breathe in the competing mixture of all the body sprays these young undergrads are so fond of.
 
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  • #32
Math Is Hard said:
I am getting more sensitive too perfumes as I get older. I take my time choosing a seat in the lecture hall when we have exams because it can be really distracting to breathe in the competing mixture of all the body sprays these young undergrads are so fond of.
I don't know if I'm getting more sensitive, or they're just wearing so much more fragrance. I don't remember any of the guys bothering with colognes when I was in college unless they were getting ready to go out at night (and even then, that was only some of them). Now, it seems they all wear some sort of cologne every day. Did I just not notice it before, or were they more subtle scents, or are they really wearing more cologne? And, yeah, body sprays...my sister is one of those people who buys all these things, and seems to think I enjoy them too. She got me this whole set of scented body scrub and lotion and bubble bath and body spray for my birthday. I decided I'd try the body scrub stuff, because being in the shower, I could quickly wash it off if the scent was awful. I kid you not, it smelled like exhaust fumes to me! And I couldn't get the smell back off me, and it was just the tiniest dab I had put in my hands to start with. I had the same sort of headache that day as if I was driving behind a stinky bus on my way to work. Who comes up with these scents, and why does anyone think they should wear them?
 
  • #33
After hearing about people's troubles on here with anything from perfumes to MSG, I feel really lucky for not having any sort of intense alergies... :bugeye:

EDIT: Hopefully nothing horrible will come later in life though...
 
  • #34
moose said:
After hearing about people's troubles on here with anything from perfumes to MSG, I feel really lucky for not having any sort of intense alergies... :bugeye:

EDIT: Hopefully nothing horrible will come later in life though...
I have extreme physiological responses to MSG and fragrances, and they both started showing up (at least in some form) at about the age of 40. My mother died of respiratory collapse at age 49 with similar problems. I cannot understand while people will allow their children's food and air to be contaminated with this crap, especially in the face of "unusual" increases in ADD and asthma. Does everybody need to smell of "cedar", "fresh mountain scent", "floral glades", etc? It's all made from chemicals, folks!
 
  • #35
turbo-1 said:
I have extreme physiological responses to MSG and fragrances, and they both started showing up (at least in some form) at about the age of 40. My mother died of respiratory collapse at age 49 with similar problems. I cannot understand while people will allow their children's food and air to be contaminated with this crap, especially in the face of "unusual" increases in ADD and asthma. Does everybody need to smell of "cedar", "fresh mountain scent", "floral glades", etc? It's all made from chemicals, folks!
I don't get it either. They banned things like peanuts from planes for a while when it's really rare for someone to have an allergic reaction just from sitting next to peanuts, yet perfumes are everywhere. In my case, I don't think it's an allergy, but more a sensitivity. Oh, I used to have to leave the building when I worked in one lab because the cleaning supplies the custodians used would make me sick too. I can understand needing to use strong disinfectants, especially in public restrooms, but is it necessary to scent them with strong perfumes?

I still adhere to the idea that if you need perfume, it means you need to shower more often! On a related thought, do you have trouble finding deodorants? The only one I've recently found that's unscented is by Arm & Hammer, but is that really unscented, or is it "masking scents" as you earlier described? Even for people who like perfume, who wants their deodorant/antiperspirant competing with perfume? To me, the purpose is to NOT stink, not to add odors to your body.

Actually, the only scent I've really liked lately is Ember's cat shampoo! :biggrin: That smells wonderful to me. (And don't make fun of me for bathing my cat...she's not very good at bathing herself at all, plus, when I take her to the farm for her shots, she comes home stinking like the farm, and if I take a shower when I get home from there, so does she!)
 
  • #36
You guys really need putting in a bag and shaking, i think i will forget inventing engines, and come up with an anti personnel pong filter :biggrin:
 
  • #37
wolram said:
I am sure it is not right, it seems able to go backwards far more than the other, and has less control, it has little pain until it goes backwards, the only outward sign of malfunction is that it is quite hot ? is this a doctor thing or wait and see thing?
I see a fair number of knee injuries in the sport I'm involved in.
I'm going to guess from the description that there is a good chance that you damaged what is called the ACL.
This would be particularly true if you felt/heard a pop in the incident.
The increasing swelling for a few days may indicate you also have meniscus damage, rather than just being a bruise. Bruises are normally hard to the touch while meniscus damage is soft and mushie.

You should get it examined by someone who specializes in knees.

The pain and swelling tends to go away in a couple weeks (except when you step wrong), if you don't have meniscus damage.
While the recommended "solution" is often to ignore it or a knee brace, this can lead to additional damage as time goes on.
Meniscus damage is best treated with orthroscopic surgery, but they might put that in the "ignore it" list as well.
 
  • #38
Oh, sugar lumps, i suppose it will be my fault if i do not go and see a doctor now well i will give it a week or two, i sure do not want go some place and come out with more than what i went in with.
Thank you No Time.
 
  • #39
Moonbear said:
I don't get it either. They banned things like peanuts from planes for a while when it's really rare for someone to have an allergic reaction just from sitting next to peanuts, yet perfumes are everywhere.
While you seem to be able to get a major allergic reaction from shaking hands with somone that ate peanuts, I don't recall hearing that the odor in and of itself is a problem.

I once worked with someone in an industry producing household and personel products.
He told me that the active ingrediant for a product class all comes from the same vat.
The difference between one brand an another is water content, coloring and perfume.
So to create a "new" product they pick a fragrance, a color and make a different bottle to put it in. :rolleyes:

From the little I know of this, fragances are selected molecules added to a carrier base. The carrier base tends to be common to a wide range of fragrance molecules, but some fragrances require different bases.

Fear of being stinky sells fragance.
 
  • #40
Moonbear said:
I still adhere to the idea that if you need perfume, it means you need to shower more often! On a related thought, do you have trouble finding deodorants? The only one I've recently found that's unscented is by Arm & Hammer, but is that really unscented, or is it "masking scents" as you earlier described? Even for people who like perfume, who wants their deodorant/antiperspirant competing with perfume? To me, the purpose is to NOT stink, not to add odors to your body.
Moonie, the operative words (the ones that MUST be on the label) are "Fragrance Free". If it says only "unscented", there is a good chance that it contains masking fragrances. IIR, the 4th ingredient listed in "unscented" Oil of Olay moisturizing lotion is "fragrances", coming in behind only the most bulky ingredients, like water and glycerin. That stuff is deadly. I can't smell it, but I taste a really nasty metallic bloom in the back of my mouth, and then I know I'm in trouble and have to get out of wherever I am.
 

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