Troubleshooting Mass Flow Rates for CH4 Reaction with Air and Fuel

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The discussion revolves around calculating the number of moles of products generated from the combustion reaction of methane (CH4) with air. Participants explore the conversion of mass flow rates of reactants into moles of products, focusing on the reaction products CO2, H2O, O2, and N2. The scope includes mathematical reasoning and technical explanations related to chemical reactions and stoichiometry.

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  • One participant presents a reaction involving CH4 and air, providing mass flow rates for air and fuel.
  • Another participant suggests a method for converting mass flow rates into moles using the molar mass of O2.
  • A participant calculates the mass flow of O2 from the air mass flow rate and questions how to determine moles of CO2 based on the reaction stoichiometry.
  • Another response advises calculating the mass flow of each product using mass percentages and converting to moles using their respective molar masses.
  • A participant shares calculated values for the molar masses of CO2, H2O, O2, and N2, along with mass fractions and resulting mass flows of the exhaust products.
  • One participant confirms the correctness of the conversion from mass flow of CO2 to moles, while also advising caution in checking the mass flow results for accuracy.

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Participants generally agree on the methods for converting mass flow rates to moles, but there is no consensus on the accuracy of specific calculations, as some results have not been verified by others.

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Some calculations depend on assumptions regarding the composition of air and the completeness of the reaction, which may not be explicitly stated. There are unresolved steps in the calculations presented, particularly regarding the mass flow of products.

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I have this reaction:

CH4+4(O2+3.76) --> CO2+2H2O+2O2+15.04N2

Through other calculations and given information I have found that the mass flow rate of the air (the O2+3.76N2) is 25kg/s and the mass flow rate of the fuel is .87 kg/s. I am having the hardest time finding, using these mass flow rates, the number of moles of each product I have. Any help is appreciated
 
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Mass flow rates are given in kg/second, and the similarly you would get moles/second when converted into moles.

How would you normally convert 1kg of O2 into moles of O2?

Hint: 1kg/sec x moles/kg = moles/sec
 
So if I have 25 kg/s of air and air is 21% O2 I have (.21*25kg/s) gives kg/s of O2. Then (.21*25 kg/s)/32 = N_O2? Similarly ((.79*25kg/s)(3.76N2))/28 gives N_N2

How would it work for CO2 for example? Do I find the amount of moles of C, then use the fact that 25% of the moles of oxygen are paired with the C?
 
Get the kilograms/sec of each molecule using the mass percentages. Then convert it into moles/sec using that substance's molar mass.

For example the molecule CO2 has a molar mass of (C)12.01+(O)16.00+(O)16.00=44.01 grams per mole.
 
Ok this is what I got (I really appreciate the help by the way):
CO2=44 g/mole
H2O=18 g/mole
O2=32 g/mole
N2=28 g/mole

Total mass of exhaust=565/12
massfractionCO2=.077
massfractionH2O=.064
massfractionO2=.113
massfractioN2=.745

Mass flow of exhaust=mass flow air + mass flow fuel = 25.87 so i take the mass fractions from above and multiply them by that and they give:

CO2=2.00kg/s
H2O=.1.65kg/s
O2=2.92kg/s
N2=19.27 kg/s

And I know for example 1 mole of CO2=44 grams so 2.00 kg/s = 45.45 moles of CO2/s? Is this all correct?
 
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Just make sure you carefully check each of your mass flow results for each substance (as I haven't checked them). The concept is correct, and yes 2kg/s of CO2 is equivalent to approx 45 moles/s of CO2. =)
 

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