Trying an alternative to Trig Substitutions

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The discussion revolves around an integral involving a square root expression, specifically \(\int \frac{\sqrt{x^2-3}}{x} dx\). The original poster is exploring alternative methods to traditional trigonometric substitution techniques.

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  • The original poster attempts to use trigonometric substitution but encounters difficulties in converting \(dx\) to \(d\theta\). Some participants suggest alternative substitutions, including hyperbolic functions, while others question the effectiveness of these methods.

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Participants are actively discussing various substitution methods, with some expressing uncertainty about the original poster's approach. There is no explicit consensus, but guidance has been offered regarding potential substitutions and their implications.

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The original poster expresses discomfort with hyperbolic functions and seeks clarification on the derivation of suggested substitutions. There is also mention of the original poster's intention to avoid traditional methods, which adds a layer of complexity to the discussion.

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I wanted to try an alternative method to the proverbial technique used in trig substitution. Is this method a dead-end or is there hope for it?

\int \frac{\sqrt{x^2-3}}{x} dx
Using trig substitution
c^2=a^2+b^2
a = \sqrt{c^2-b^2}
∴ c = x, b = \sqrt{3}
Assigning these values to a triangle, where a is adjacent to theta and b is opposite to theta we get..
\int \frac{\sqrt{x^2-3}}{x} dx = \int \frac{a}{x} dx = \int cos \theta dx

And I've hit a wall. I can't seem to be able to adequately convert dx to dθ.
 
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You could try the substitution: x=\sqrt 3 \cosh \theta
 
Nano-Passion said:
I wanted to try an alternative method to the proverbial technique used in trig substitution. Is this method a dead-end or is there hope for it?

\int \frac{\sqrt{x^2-3}}{x} dx
Using trig substitution
c^2=a^2+b^2
a = \sqrt{c^2-b^2}
∴ c = x, b = \sqrt{3}
Assigning these values to a triangle, where a is adjacent to theta and b is opposite to theta we get..
\int \frac{\sqrt{x^2-3}}{x} dx = \int \frac{a}{x} dx = \int cos \theta dx

And I've hit a wall. I can't seem to be able to adequately convert dx to dθ.
Your substitution appears to be \displaystyle \cos(\theta)=\frac{\sqrt{x^2-3}}{x}\ .

In that case, how is dx related to dθ ?
 
sharks said:
You could try the substitution: x=\sqrt 3 \cosh \theta

I just did, it starts becoming ugly. And your still plagued by the dx so it hasn't made a difference.

Edit: I think I over-complicated things, I'm reviewing my method.

Edit: Either way, I feel a bit uncomfortable with the approach because I don't know how

x = \sqrt{3} cosh \theta
 
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SammyS said:
Your substitution appears to be \displaystyle \cos(\theta)=\frac{\sqrt{x^2-3}}{x}\ .

In that case, how is dx related to dθ ?

Well, it doesn't seem that I can know until I can explicitly define the function in terms of x.
 
It works out by the substitution that i suggested. What is the final answer given in your book/notes?
 
sharks said:
It works out by the substitution that i suggested. What is the final answer given in your book/notes?

\sqrt{3} \int (sec^2 \theta - 1) d\theta
\sqrt{3} (tan \theta - \theta)
 
The substitution reccomended in post #2 should solve the problem.
 
dextercioby said:
The substitution reccomended in post #2 should solve the problem.

I can use any of the proverbial substitutions given in the book but that is besides the point. I was trying to do it in a different way and just need to know if my method is a dead end or not.

And at any rate, I'm not too familiar with the hyperbolic functions and how he derived that substitution equivalent.
 
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Why are the substitutions in your book "proverbial"? I don't recally any proverbs related to Calculus!

In any case, your method is not a "dead end" but it is exactly the trig substitution you apparently are trying to avoid. Taking x to be the hypotenuse of your right triangle and the "near side" to be \sqrt{x^3- 3}, the "opposite side" has length 3 so sin(\theta)= 3/x, x= 3/sin(\theta)= 3csc(\theta). From that, dx= 3 d(csc(\theta))= -3 csc(\theta)cot(\theta) d\theta.
 
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HallsofIvy said:
Why are the substitutions in your book "proverbial"? I don't recally any proverbs related to Calculus!

Proverbial as in widely known and common.

In any case, your method is not a "dead end" but it is exactly the trig substitution you apparently are trying to avoid. Taking x to be the hypotenuse of your right triangle and the "near side" to be \sqrt{x^3- 3}, the "opposite side" has length 3 so sin(\theta)= 3/x, x= 3/sin(\theta)= 3csc(\theta). From that, dx= 3 d(csc(\theta))= -3 csc(\theta)cot(\theta) d\theta.

Hmm, I see now. ^.^ Thanks.
 

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