Trying to find HOW to get the velocity.

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving velocity, friction, and possibly rolling resistance. Participants are trying to determine how to calculate the velocity of an object under certain conditions, including the effects of friction.

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  • Participants are examining the relevance of various equations and the role of friction in the problem. There is a focus on calculating initial velocities and questioning the assumptions regarding the type of friction involved. Some participants are also clarifying the relationship between different variables and the setup of the problem.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing insights and pointing out potential errors in calculations. Some guidance has been offered regarding the need to consider the initial velocity of different components, and there are ongoing questions about the interpretation of the problem's details.

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There are mentions of unclear information in the problem statement, such as the specifics of the time measurement and the type of friction being referenced. Participants are also noting discrepancies in unit usage, although these do not seem to affect the calculations directly.

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Homework Statement
Suppose a 15.0 g dart is fired into a wooden block that is mounted on wheels with a total
mass of 10.0 kg. The time required for the block to travel a distance of 45.0 cm is
measured after the dart lodges into the block. This can easily be accomplished with a
pair of photocells and an electric clock. If the coefficient of friction between the
wheels and floor is 0.1435 and the measured time to come to a stop is .80 seconds, what
is the muzzle velocity of the dart? (assume no drag force on the dart before it hits the
block).
Relevant Equations
x= vt + 1/2 at^2
m1v1=m2v2
This is a practice problem so I know that the answer is 750 m/.s. Not totally sure what to do with the friction or if any of my listed equations are relevant here but here goes what I've tried:

.45 kg = v(0.8 sec) + 1/2(-9.8 *0.1435) * (0.8)^2

.45 kg = v(0.8) + 1/2(-1.4063) * 0.64
.45=v(0.8) - 0.450015
0.900016= V(0.8)
V does not equal 1.12 m/s
 
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You only calculated the initial velocity of the block with the dart in it. You still need to calculate initial velocity of dart. You have also written some units incorrectly, but it does not effect the math. The force of friction is -.1435mg so the acceleration is -.1435g.
 
There are some oddities with the question.
We are given the "coefficient of friction". Assuming the wheels are free to rotate, the friction will be static, and its coefficient irrelevant. So presumably they mean the rolling resistance coefficient.
It says the time to travel a stated distance is measured, but at that point in the text does not specify that time.
Later, it gives the time to come to a stop. Are we supposed to assume these refer to the same event, i.e. it comes to a stop at the given distance?
It seems so, since on that basis we can calculate the rolling resistance, and it is indeed the value given. So whoever set the question must have been aware it was redundant information. Unusual.

JohnTheGreat101 said:
.45 kg = v(0.8 sec) + 1/2(-9.8 *0.1435) * (0.8)^2
.45cm.

While I typed all that, @caz beat me to pointing out your error.
 
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caz said:
You only calculated the initial velocity of the block with the dart in it. You still need to calculate initial velocity of dart. You have also written some units incorrectly, but it does not effect the math. The force of friction is -.1435mg so the acceleration is -.1435g.
I see so then I would just apply the equation: m1v1=m2v2 and solve for V1?
 
Yes.
 

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