Trying to get a pen to work in so little to no gravity in space

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the use of pens and pencils in low or zero gravity environments, particularly in the context of space missions. Participants explore the historical anecdotes regarding NASA's choice of writing instruments, the functionality of pens in space, and the implications of using graphite from pencils.

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  • Conceptual clarification
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants recount the popular story of NASA spending significant resources to develop a pen for use in space, contrasting it with the Soviet Union's use of pencils.
  • Others argue that this narrative is a myth, stating that both the US and Soviet space programs utilized pencils initially but later opted for Fisher space pens due to concerns about graphite interfering with electronics.
  • A participant mentions that the Fisher pen company developed a pressurized pen that was adopted by NASA, challenging the notion of over-engineering in the original story.
  • Some participants discuss the mechanics of ink flow in pens, questioning whether capillary action would allow pens to work in zero gravity.
  • There are anecdotal accounts of personal experiences with different types of pens and pencils, including issues faced with graphite contamination in sensitive electronic equipment.
  • One participant shares a humorous reference to a Seinfeld bit about the space pen, relating it to their own difficulties with pens on Earth.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express disagreement regarding the historical narrative of pen usage in space, with multiple competing views on the accuracy of the story and the effectiveness of different writing instruments in low gravity. The discussion remains unresolved on several technical points about pen functionality in space.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations related to the historical accuracy of anecdotes, the specific conditions under which writing instruments operate in space, and the potential for graphite to cause issues in electronic systems. These aspects remain open for further exploration.

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The best story from space I remember is how NASA spent a huge pile of money trying to get a pen to work in so little to no gravity in space. They worked and worked away and the Soviets found the solution: using a pencil.
 
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It is also made up.
Both the US and the Soviet Union tried pencils, but their graphite can be bad for electronics, so both bought Fisher space pens from a company for a few dollars per pen.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Writing_in_space
 
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almostvoid said:
The best story from space I remember is how NASA spent a huge pile of money trying to get a pen to work in so little to no gravity in space. They worked and worked away and the Soviets found the solution: using a pencil.

This is wrong. It was the Fischer pen company who spent a lot of money developing a pressurized pen and they convinced NASA to use it on their missions. It’s a common meme used for over engineering the obvious. The worry in space was the flaking of graphite interfering with the electrical systems.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/fact-or-fiction-nasa-spen/
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/the-write-stuff/
And to buy one for @Greg Bernhardt, and PF here’s the Amazon link:

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01CK18M4M/?tag=pfamazon01-20

Or elsewhere as there are many models to choose from:

https://www.spacepen.com/originalastronautmodels.aspx
 
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mfb said:
It is also made up.

No need to let that stand in the way of a good story, :wink:
 
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Vanadium 50 said:
No need to let that stand in the way of a good story, :wink:
It's a very common myth, I hear it all the time in real life.
 
A pen should work in zero gravity I would have thought. Doesn't ink flow due to capillary action?
 
try writing upside down, pens only work so long then they stop. gravity is necessary to keep ink in position so that capillary action can happen.
 
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I love this pen. I bought one a year ago, and it's my favorite pen by far. I like that it folds up to such a compact size, and I don't have to worry about the pen angle when writing on notes on walls. Great find!

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And as for horror stories about pencils being used in the wrong places... I once spent almost a whole day debugging a high-impedance FET preamplifer (used on a graphics tablet that I helped to design). The amp was acting very strangely and was varying all over the place. I finally traced it to a small pencil mark made on the PCB by another engineer earlier who was pointing to a component with his engineering pencil. He accidentally made contact with the surface of the PCB, which left the small graphite mark on the board. That was enough to cause the slightly conductive path in the area of MegaOhm impedances in the FET amp. I now no longer let anybody use a pencil as a pointer anywhere near my work... :oldmad:
 
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Dr Transport said:
try writing upside down, pens only work so long then they stop. gravity is necessary to keep ink in position so that capillary action can happen.

Interesting.

The tube of ink in a Biro pen seems narrow enough for the liquid’s capillary action to hold it in place upside down. Also due to the vacuum at the nib (just a random thought). Amirit?
 
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It is a Seinfeld bit, on the space pen. Jerry wanted to write the jokes that came to him in bed. I myself have trouble with pens here in earth. The heat of my hands or something ends up ruining them. I use them once or twice and then the ink runneth over outside the pen and that's it. Never had a pen that worked after more than 4-5 occasions.
 

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