Trying to prove F^infinity is infinite dimensional

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The discussion revolves around proving that the vector space \(\mathbb{F}^{\infty}\) is infinite dimensional. Participants are examining definitions and implications related to infinite and finite dimensional vector spaces.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • The original poster attempts to outline a proof based on the definitions of finite and infinite dimensional spaces, questioning whether their reasoning is sufficient.
  • Some participants explore the implications of assuming \(\mathbb{F}^{\infty}\) is not infinite dimensional and discuss the nature of vectors in relation to the spanning set.
  • Questions arise about the clarity and validity of the reasoning presented, particularly regarding the definitions and requirements for spanning sets in finite dimensional spaces.

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The discussion includes various interpretations of the proof attempts, with some participants providing feedback on the clarity of reasoning. There is no explicit consensus, as some participants express confusion about the implications of the original poster's argument.

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Participants are navigating definitions and theorems related to vector spaces, with some noting that the original poster's proof may lack mathematical rigor. There is mention of a deadline for the assignment, which may influence the urgency of the discussion.

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Homework Statement



Theorem: Prove that [tex]\mathbb{F}^{\infty}[/tex] infinite dimensional

Homework Equations



Definition of Infinite Dimensional Vector Space: A vector space that
is not finite dimension

Definition of Finite Dimensional Vector Space: [tex]\exists[/tex] list of vectors
in it that spans the space

Definition of List of Length n: An ordered collection of [tex]n[/tex] objects.
It has finite length.

The Attempt at a Solution

1) [tex]\mathbb{F}^{n}[/tex] is the set of all list of length n

2) [tex]\mathbb{F}^{\infty}[/tex] is the set of all list of length [tex]\infty[/tex]

2.1) This contradicts the definition of list [tex]\therefore[/tex] there is
no list of infinite length [tex]\therefore[/tex] it cannot be a finite dimensional
vector space because it doesn't contain a list [tex]\therefore[/tex] it is
an infinite dimensional vector space.

My solution seems weak in that it doesn't use any math. But does
it actually prove the theorem? If not can someone point me in the right direction?
 
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That's a good outline for a proof. Suppose that [tex]F^{\infty}[/tex] isn't of infinite dimension. Then it must be of dimension n. So the set (consisting of n vectors) [tex]\beta = (1, 0, 0, ... 0), (0, 1, 0, ... 0), ... , (0, 0, ... , 1)[/tex] must span [tex]F^{\infty}[/tex].

Obviously [tex](1, 2, 3, ... , n+1) \in F^{\infty}[/tex]. Is that vector in [tex]\beta[/tex] ?
 
It's not in the list [tex]\beta[/tex], it's in the span of [tex]\beta[/tex]. Right?
 
Sorry, my question should have been, "is that vector in the span of [tex]\beta[/tex]?"
 
I don't understand where you are trying to go with this. There is no contradiction if you suppose that it is not infinite dimensional.
 
Never mind this was due last week and my proof was correct according to the solutions.
 
PhillipKP said:
I don't understand where you are trying to go with this. There is no contradiction if you suppose that it is not infinite dimensional.
Since you are trying to prove it is infinite dimensional there had better be!
 
PhillipKP said:
... [tex]\therefore[/tex] it cannot be a finite dimensional
vector space because it doesn't contain a list [tex]\therefore[/tex]...

This reasoning is not clear. A finite dimensional vector space does not need to contain a list; it need only satisfy the axioms defining a vector space and be spanned by a finite amount of elements of that space under scalar multiplication and vector addition. Ie., the set of sequences of the form (n, 0, 0, ...) for all real n forms a 1-dimensional vector space under pointwise addition, but it does not consist of any lists.
J89's outline has a similar missing link: ie., it refers to a list of vectors that are not themselves elements of Foo as potential spanning vectors for Foo, which is unfounded.
 
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