Trying to understand Special Relativity

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around understanding the implications of special relativity, particularly regarding the perception of photon bombardment on two spaceships traveling towards each other at relativistic speeds. Participants explore the apparent contradictions in the observations of different observers regarding the rate of photon impacts due to effects like length contraction and time dilation.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Participant A presents a scenario involving two spaceships and questions how different observers perceive the rate of photon impacts, suggesting a potential contradiction in their observations.
  • Another participant asserts that there is no contradiction and that all three observers (A, B, and C) can be correct in their assessments.
  • A further inquiry is made about whether the number of photons recorded by A and B would differ when they compare their readings, raising the question of who would have been hit more frequently.
  • A participant emphasizes the importance of specifying the timing of the observations, noting that the synchronization of clocks between observers affects their measurements of photon impacts.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether there is a contradiction in the observations made by the different observers. Some argue that all perspectives can coexist, while others highlight the need for careful consideration of timing and frame of reference.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the complexities of simultaneity in special relativity, particularly how the timing of events can differ across reference frames, which may lead to varying interpretations of the same physical scenario.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to those studying special relativity, particularly students and enthusiasts seeking to understand the nuances of observer-dependent phenomena and the implications of relativistic effects.

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Hi,

I was reading on special relativity and was trying to understand it. However, I am still not very sure about the concepts. For example, I have this problem:

I have 2 spaceships, A and B, traveling towards each other. Both have rest length x and speed v, where v is near the speed of light. Both are getting bombarded by photons that travel perpendicular to the direction of the spaceships.

The person in A will think "Hmm, due to length contraction, the rate at which he gets hit by photons is smaller than mine"

Person B will think the same way.

Person C in the observer frame will think that both ships will get hit at the same rate.

How do you resolve this contradiction?
 
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simpleton said:
Hi,

I was reading on special relativity and was trying to understand it. However, I am still not very sure about the concepts. For example, I have this problem:

I have 2 spaceships, A and B, traveling towards each other. Both have rest length x and speed v, where v is near the speed of light. Both are getting bombarded by photons that travel perpendicular to the direction of the spaceships.

The person in A will think "Hmm, due to length contraction, the rate at which he gets hit by photons is smaller than mine"

Person B will think the same way.

Person C in the observer frame will think that both ships will get hit at the same rate.

How do you resolve this contradiction?

There is no contradiction, all three statements are correct.
 
What I mean is, say person A and person B note down the number of photons that hit them. When they compare their readings, will they differ? And if they do, who got hit more times?
 
You need to specify the times at which they should start counting and stop counting.

If A says "I got hit by n photons between 12:00 and 12:01 on my clock", then B would say exactly the same. What you seem to be overlooking is that the events where A's clock change to 12:00 and to 12:01 are not one minute apart in B's frame.
 
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