Turning effect of force (Moments)

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The discussion revolves around the turning effect of force, specifically in the context of a uniform metre ruler suspended from a spring balance. Participants explore the implications of the ruler's rotation and the forces acting on it, including its weight and the effects of acceleration.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

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  • Participants question whether the reading on the spring balance will change when the ruler is moved and begins to rotate. They discuss the conditions of equilibrium and the forces acting on the ruler, including weight and radial forces due to centripetal acceleration.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing insights into how the reading on the spring balance may vary due to the ruler's motion and acceleration. There is acknowledgment of the complexities involved, but no explicit consensus has been reached regarding the exact nature of the reading changes.

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Participants note that the ruler is not in equilibrium when it rotates, leading to questions about the forces at play, including the effects of tangential and radial acceleration. The nature of the forces and their impact on the spring balance reading are central to the discussion.

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My previous post has been removed due to some reasons.
I would like to ask another question: if a uniform metre ruler with weight of 1.2N, suspended at its mid-point from a spring balance. No other force is added to the ruler.
The reading on the spring balance is 1.2N. Am I right?

If the spring balance is move rightwards, which causes the ruler to rotate due to turning effect, will the reading on the spring balance be the same or will it vary because of the turning effect of the force.
 
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xiaomeizi said:
My previous post has been removed due to some reasons.
it wasn't removed, it was combined by a mentor with your original post on the same topic.
I would like to ask another question: if a uniform metre ruler with weight of 1.2N, suspended at its mid-point from a spring balance. No other force is added to the ruler.
The reading on the spring balance is 1.2N. Am I right?
Yes, indeed.
If the spring balance is move rightwards, which causes the ruler to rotate due to turning effect, will the reading on the spring balance be the same or will it vary because of the turning effect of the force.
It will vary since it is no longer in equilibrium, since the center of mass of the meter stick is now accelerating vertically and horizontally (or tangentially and radially).
 
PhanthomJay said:
it wasn't removed, it was combined by a mentor with your original post on the same topic.Yes, indeed.
It will vary since it is no longer in equilibrium, since the center of mass of the meter stick is now accelerating vertically and horizontally (or tangentially and radially).

thanks for your reply. ' It will vary since it is no longer in equilibrium'.. But I don't really get it. i thought the only force acting downwards is the weight of the meter stick. So if the reading on the spring balance varies, is it larger than 1.2N or smaller?
 
xiaomeizi said:
thanks for your reply. ' It will vary since it is no longer in equilibrium'.. But I don't really get it. i thought the only force acting downwards is the weight of the meter stick. So if the reading on the spring balance varies, is it larger than 1.2N or smaller?
Don't forget that the stick is rotating and it is accelerating in both the tangential and radial directions. In addition to the weight force, there is a radial force in the meter stick from the centripetal acceleration. The scale reading varies from a minimum at the start to a maximum at the bottom of the circle.
 
PhanthomJay said:
Don't forget that the stick is rotating and it is accelerating in both the tangential and radial directions. In addition to the weight force, there is a radial force in the meter stick from the centripetal acceleration. The scale reading varies from a minimum at the start to a maximum at the bottom of the circle.


I think I have understood it with your clear explanation.
I am really grateful for your help. :DD
 

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