Two battery hooked up in series, energy conversion

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The problem involves two batteries connected in series, where the positive terminals are linked, and the negative terminals complete the circuit. The batteries have different electromotive forces (emfs), and the question focuses on the rate of energy conversion in the smaller battery, considering their internal resistances.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the calculation of current and power, with one attempting to derive the power expression and questioning a factor of two discrepancy. Others reflect on the roles of the batteries and their internal resistances in energy conversion.

Discussion Status

There is a general agreement on the correctness of the original poster's approach, though some participants suggest that the reasoning could be clearer. Multiple interpretations of the energy conversion process are being explored, particularly regarding the roles of the batteries and the steady state of energy conversion.

Contextual Notes

Participants are navigating the complexities of energy conversion in batteries, including the implications of internal resistance and the definitions of power in this context. There is an acknowledgment of the initial versus steady state rates of energy conversion.

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Homework Statement



The positive terminals of two batteries with emf's of V_1 and V_2, respectively, are connected together. It is V_2>V_1. The circuit is completed by connecting the negative terminals. If each battery has an internal resistance r, what is the rate with which electrical energy is converted to chemical energy in the smaller battery?

Answer: (V_2-V_1)*V_1/r

Homework Equations



P=IV
V=IR

The Attempt at a Solution



From what I was trying is that I=(V_2-V_1)/(2r) and then the voltage difference is V_1, so I was getting P= (V_2-V_1)*V_1/(2r), what am I doing wrong that I'm off back a factor of two.
 
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Your answer looks right (official answer looks wrong), but your reasoning is not clear.
Helmholtz said:
...and then the voltage difference is V_1, so I was getting P= (V_2-V_1)*V_1/(2r)

Your expression for I is right. Think of these three things:
1) the energy source is the ideal portion of the real battery with emf of V_2.
2) the two internal resistors are sinking energy, actually removing energy from the circuit.
3) the ideal portion of the real battery emf of V_1 is also an energy sink but is storing energy.

Also the answer is the initial rate-- the steady state rate is zero.
 
I agree the book answer looks wrong.

I think your reasoning is fine but your explanation could be slightly better.

Perhaps point out that "the rate with which electrical energy is converted to chemical energy" is equivalent to the the power dissipated in the ideal voltage V_1.
 
I also think the OP's answer is right. Energy charging battery 1 is V1*i*t so rate is V1*i. But i = (V2-V1)/2r.
 

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