Two concentrations of calcium ions inside and outside the membrane

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The discussion centers on calculating the Nernst potential for calcium ions given their concentrations inside and outside the membrane. The participants clarify that equilibrium does not imply equal concentrations but rather a balance of concentration gradients and resting potential. The Nernst equation, E = (RT/zF)(ln([outside]/[inside]), is emphasized, noting that at equilibrium, the potential would be zero if concentrations were equal. The distinction between Nernst potential and resting potential is also highlighted as a critical concept.

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This isn't homework - just working through questions in my text. The question gives two concentrations of calcium ions inside and outside the membrane and asks to find the Nernst potential - ok no problem there.

Then it asks if the calcium ions are in equilibrium if the resting potential is 70mV. If they were in equilibrium, then

E = (RT/zF)(ln([outisde]/[inside])

But then, at calcium equilibrium, the ratio would be 1... ln(1) = 0 and there would be no potential... am I correct?

Thanks,

Mark
 
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I can't exactly figure out what you mean, but I wonder if you are mixing up a couple of ideas. At equilibrium, there is not equal concentrations; there is no current flow. The difference in concentration is balanced by the resting potential (which is the E in your equation). Don't forget calcium has 2 charges.
 


I still can't see how to figure out if the calcium is in equilibrium, I would only be able to get the ratio of the two concentrations... no?

mark
 


I suppose that's true, the concentration *gradient* is what drives motion, not the absolute value of concentration. But again, I think I am not really understanding your original question. It almost seems as if you are treating the Nernst and resting potential to be the same (and I don't think they are).
 

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