Two Doppler Shifts: 800Hz to 126Hz

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The discussion revolves around a problem involving two Doppler shifts of sound waves, where an 800-Hz sound wave is emitted from a stationary source towards an object moving at 25.0 m/s. Participants explore the frequency shift of the reflected wave, considering the speed of sound in air at a temperature of 20ºC.

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  • The original poster attempts to calculate the frequency shifts using the Doppler effect equations, questioning the discrepancy between their calculated result and the expected answer. Some participants discuss the importance of avoiding round-off errors and suggest deriving algebraic expressions before substituting numerical values.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing insights into the calculations and addressing potential sources of error. There is recognition of the need for careful handling of numerical values, but no explicit consensus has been reached regarding the final answer.

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A stationary source directs an 800-Hz sound wave toward an approaching object moving with a speed of 25.0 m/s. What is the frequency shift of the reflected wave if the air temperature is 20ºC? (Hint: There are two Doppler shifts here. Why?)

f = 800Hz
the speed of sound = v = 331 + 0.6Tc = 343 m/s
the speed of the object = vo = 25.0 m/s
For the first doppler shift,
f1 = (v + vo)/v * f
f1 = 858 Hz
For the second doppler shift, I'm guessing that we use the object moving as the source of the sound and the original sound source as the observer:
f2 = v/(v - vo) * f1
f2 = 925 Hz

But the answer is 126 Hz!:confused:
 
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The shift in frequency is the difference between the final frequency and the initial one, so your answer is actually correct. (925 - 800 = 125 Hz, which is close enough to the expected answer).
 
the Google calculator says:
(((343 + 25) / (343 - 25)) * 800) - 800 = 125.786164
Sometimes it's best to get an algebraic answer in terms of the given variables, then plug in the numbers. Otherwise, intermediate numerical values can introduce round-off errors.
 
robphy said:
the Google calculator says:
(((343 + 25) / (343 - 25)) * 800) - 800 = 125.786164
Sometimes it's best to get an algebraic answer in terms of the given variables, then plug in the numbers. Otherwise, intermediate numerical values can introduce round-off errors.
Yeah, my value of 125 Hz comes from the fact that I used f1 = 858 Hz, when I think it should've been 858.3xxxxxxx... I get it now. Thanks.
 

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