Two Forces Acting Simultaneously

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving two forces acting on an object, specifically focusing on a scenario where an object is launched vertically with an initial velocity while experiencing gravitational and frictional forces. The participants are exploring how to mathematically represent these forces and their effects on the object's motion.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants are attempting to understand how to construct the problem mathematically, particularly in representing the simultaneous forces acting on the object. There are questions about the formulation of the frictional force, which depends on velocity, and how to incorporate it into the analysis. Some participants are considering the use of differential equations to solve the problem.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants sharing insights about the nature of forces and their vector addition. There is a suggestion to explore numerical solutions and the potential for analytical approaches, but no consensus has been reached on the best method to proceed.

Contextual Notes

Participants are navigating constraints related to the problem's requirements, such as the need for numerical distance-time graphs and the varying step sizes for calculations. There is also uncertainty regarding the expectations of the teacher concerning the level of numerical detail required in the solutions.

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Homework Statement
A 10.0 kg object is launched vertically into the air with an initial velocity of 50.0 m/s. In addition to the force of gravity there is a frictional force which is proportional to velocity according to ##f_y=-bv_y##; note that this frictional force is negative (down) when the object is moving up, but positive (up) when the object is moving down.

(a) Numerically generate distance-time graphs for the object,
using ##b=0## but use several different step sizes for ##\Delta t##, such as 1.0 s, 0.1 s, 0.01 s, and 0.001 s. Show the results on a single graph. How does the highest point vary with the step size?

(b) Numerically generate distance-time graphs for the object,
using a step size of ##\Delta t=0.01 s##. Now, however, try non-zero
values for ##b##, such as 0.1 ##N* s/m## 0.5 ##N* s/m## 1.0 ##N* s/m##
5.0 ##N* s/m## and 10.0 ##N* s/m## How does the highest point vary
with ##b##? What do you notice about the shape of the graphs as ##b##
increases?
Relevant Equations
##V_f=V_i-at##
I could understand the problem perfectly; however, I do not know how to construct the problem. The problem states that two forces are acting simultaneously on the object, but how could I represent that fact mathematically?

I really want to solve it, but I am facing this roadblock, so please only give me hints.

Thank you.
 
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BurpHa said:
Homework Statement: A 10.0 kg object is launched vertically into the air with an initial velocity of 50.0 m/s. In addition to the force of gravity there is a frictional force which is proportional to velocity according to ##f_y=-bv_y##; note that this frictional force is negative (down) when the object is moving up, but positive (up) when the object is moving down.

(a) Numerically generate distance-time graphs for the object,
using ##b=0## but use several different step sizes for ##\Delta t##, such as 1.0 s, 0.1 s, 0.01 s, and 0.001 s. Show the results on a single graph. How does the highest point vary with the step size?

(b) Numerically generate distance-time graphs for the object,
using a step size of ##\Delta t=0.01 s##. Now, however, try non-zero
values for ##b##, such as 0.1 ##N* s/m## 0.5 ##N* s/m## 1.0 ##N* s/m##
5.0 ##N* s/m## and 10.0 ##N* s/m## How does the highest point vary
with ##b##? What do you notice about the shape of the graphs as ##b##
increases?
Relevant Equations: ##V_f=V_i-at##

I could understand the problem perfectly; however, I do not know how to construct the problem. The problem states that two forces are acting simultaneously on the object, but how could I represent that fact mathematically?

I really want to solve it, but I am facing this roadblock, so please only give me hints.

Thank you.
Forces add like vectors - although in this case, we have motion in only one dimension. If there are two forces acting on an object then it's the resultant force (sum of all forces) that applies in Newton's second law:
$$\vec F = m\vec a, \ \text{where} \ \vec F = \vec F_1 + \vec F_2$$
 
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How "numerical" does your teacher want your solution to be?

Would solving the differential equation analytically and then plotting the solutions be acceptable?

https://tutorial.math.lamar.edu/classes/de/modeling.aspx If so check out example 4 which does exactly what was mentioned in post #2.
 
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PeroK said:
Forces add like vectors - although in this case, we have motion in only one dimension. If there are two forces acting on an object then it's the resultant force (sum of all forces) that applies in Newton's second law:
$$\vec F = m\vec a, \ \text{where} \ \vec F = \vec F_1 + \vec F_2$$
But the friction force depends on the velocity, which I do not know how to formulate.
 
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How "numerical" does your teacher want your solution to be?

Would solving the differential equation analytically and then plotting the solutions be acceptable?

https://tutorial.math.lamar.edu/classes/de/modeling.aspx If so check out example 4 which does exactly what was mentioned in post #2.
Thank you! I think this is what I need.
 
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BurpHa said:
But the friction force depends on the velocity, which I do not know how to formulate.
Have you heard of differential equations?
 
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BurpHa said:
But the friction force depends on the velocity, which I do not know how to formulate.
So, for example, with one-dimensional motion in the y-direction, Newton's second law becomes:
$$F_y = ma_y = m\frac{d^2 y}{dt^2}$$
 

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