Two masses attached by inextensible string?

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving two masses connected by an inextensible string, with one mass on a frictionless surface and the other hanging. Participants are tasked with finding the acceleration of the system, the speed of the masses when one strikes the floor, the distance the other mass travels after that, and the effect of friction on the latter distance.

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  • Participants explore the equations of motion and attempt to derive acceleration and final velocity using kinematic equations. Some express uncertainty about their approaches and seek guidance on how to tackle the problem, particularly regarding the 2D motion after one mass falls.

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Some participants have provided feedback on calculations, suggesting corrections and clarifications regarding the application of kinematic equations. There is an ongoing exploration of the implications of the system's motion and the effects of gravity and friction.

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Participants mention a lack of confidence in their understanding of 2D motion and express concerns about their performance in the subject. The original poster indicates a struggle with the material, which may influence the depth of the discussion.

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okay this is probably extremely basic stuff but I'm having a lot of trouble in this class and i hope someone can help! :/

A 10 kg mass is placed on a fricitonless surface and is attached to a 5 kg mass as shown by a light and inextensible string.
( here is a drawing of the model: http://i53.tinypic.com/ekne6e.png )

a) Find the acceleration with which the system moves.
b) What is the speed of the masses when the 5 kg mass strikes the floor?
c) After the 5 kg mass strikes the floor, the 10 kg mass on the table continues to move to the right. How far from the edge of the table does it land?
d) How would your answer to part c change if there was friction between the mass and the table? Explain.


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a) I set up the equations:
T = 10a
49-T = 5a

49-10a = 5a
so i got a = 3.266 m/s^2

b) I used the formula Vf^2 = Vi^2+2ad but I've got a feeling I'm approaching this problem totally wrong. But anyway:
Vf^2 = (3.266^2)+(2*9.8*0.6)
Vf^2 = 22.43
Vf = 4.74 m/s^2 (i put that as my answer)

c) I have no clue how to approach this, if anyone can guide me please? All I can think of is using the same equation as the last part but I don't think I'm right?

d) I put: If the surface had friction, the answer to part (c) would be less than the answer obtained in part (c), because the friction would be an opposing force against where the mass is trying to move.
Not the best explanation but it answers the question, I think.

if anyone can help I would appreciate it SO much! I'm currently failing ap physics and I really don't want to be :'(
 
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(a) looks good
(b) "Vf^2 = Vi^2+2ad
Vf^2 = (3.266^2)+(2*9.8*0.6) "
Since Vi = 0, you should have Vf^2 = 2*3.266*0.6

(c) The 10 kg mass will no longer accelerate because the 5 is no longer pulling on it. So you know its initial velocity when it flies off the table. I trust it doesn't hit the pulley. This leaves you with a 2D trajectory problem to solve. My approach for them is to write two headings for horizontal and vertical, ask yourself what kind of motion you have in each and write the formulas for that motion in each case. Put in the knowns in all three formulas and hope one of them can be solved for something.

Good luck!
 
Yay! Okay so

b)
Vf^2 = 0+(2*3.266*0.6)
Vf^2 = 3.91
Vf = 1.97 m/s^2

And for part (c)... I separated the x component and y compenent of the motion into separate charts, though I completely failed the 2d motion test so if my work can be checked/corrected, I'd appreciate it! here's my work: http://i55.tinypic.com/250k1fk.png
 
I got 1.98 in place of your 1.97, but I use g = 9.81 so we agree.

Oops, in the horizontal calculation you used an acceleration of 9.81!
Gravity only acts in the vertical direction. Horizontally, just use x = v*t.
I agree with your time to 2 digit accuracy. Just multiply it by 1.97.

Sorry to hear you had trouble with 2D motion. I am a veteran of 29 years teaching high school physics, and my students had really good success with it once I got them into that routine beginning with the 2 headings and asking what type of motion in each direction. Usually it is accelerated motion vertically and constant speed motion horizontally.
 

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