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The problem involves two masses connected to a spring, with the goal of determining the frequency of their oscillatory motion. The context includes concepts from mechanics, specifically relating to forces, motion, and differential equations.

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  • The original poster attempts to formulate differential equations based on the forces acting on the masses and questions whether their approach is correct. Other participants confirm the equations and suggest isolating variables to derive further insights.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, providing confirmations and additional insights. Some have introduced the concept of reduced mass and simple harmonic motion, indicating a productive direction in the discussion. However, there is no explicit consensus on a final solution.

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There is an ongoing exploration of the implications of the center of mass motion and the conditions under which the system operates, including assumptions about initial states of the masses.

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Homework Statement


Two masses m1 and m2 are connected to a spring of elastic constant k and are free to move without friction along a linear rail. Find the frequency of oscillatory motion of this system.


Homework Equations


m1a1 = -m2a2


The Attempt at a Solution



There is equal and opposite force, so momentum is conserved. The force on each mass is proportional to k. I choose a coordinate system to aid in formulating the following differential equations:
m1x1''=-k(l0 - x2 + x1)
m2x2''= k(l0 - x2 + x1)

where x1,2 indicates the respective masses position and l0 is the spring equilibrium length.

Is this a correct approach so far? If so, I have never solved differential equations of this type. How would one find x1, x2? Perhaps I am going about this wrong all together.
 
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Your equations are correct.
If you add them you get m1x1"+m2x2"=0 which means that the CM is stationary.

If you isolate x1" and x2" and subtract the first equation from the second, you get a differential equation for the variable u=x2-x1-lo ( the change of length of the spring). That equation for u is an SHM equation with "reduced" mass μ=1/(1/m1+1/m2).

ehild
 
I am posting only to follow this thread. I will use Laplace xfrm to get at an answer.
 
ehild said:
If you add them you get m1x1"+m2x2"=0 which means that the CM is stationary.
I'm nitpicking here, but this actually means the center of mass has a constant velocity, which makes sense because there's no net external force acting on the system.
 
If the two masses were in rest when connected to the ends of the spring, the CM would be in rest, too, and it stayed in rest after releasing the masses. In general case, the CM moves with constant velocity.

Introducing the variable u=x2-x1-l0 u"=x2"-x1"

m1x1''=-k(l0 - x2 + x1) ---->x1"=(k/m1)u
m2x2''= k(l0 - x2 + x1)----->x2"=-(k/m2)u, and subtracting the equations above:

u"=-k(1/m1+1/m2)u

This is the equation of simple harmonic motion u=Acos(ωt+θ) of a particle with mass μ=1/(1/m1+1/m2): u"=-(k/μ)u. The two-body problem has been reduced for the equation of a single body, of mass equal to the reduced mass μ.

The motion of the individual particles can be obtained from the equations m1x1+m2x2=Vt, (or m1x1+m2x2=0 in the center of mass frame of reference ) and x2-x1-l0=u=Acos(ωt+θ).

ehild
 
ehild said:
Your equations are correct.
If you add them you get m1x1"+m2x2"=0 which means that the CM is stationary.

If you isolate x1" and x2" and subtract the first equation from the second, you get a differential equation for the variable u=x2-x1-lo ( the change of length of the spring). That equation for u is an SHM equation with "reduced" mass μ=1/(1/m1+1/m2).

ehild

My answer is in accord with this observation.
 
Thanks, people. I believe I have it now.
 

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