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In summary: There is also a link to a tutorial on the forum.In summary, the velocity of the big mass is constant and independent of its location relative to the center of mass.
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went through all the similar questions in the forum and failed to find a similar one to mine.

Question: On a frictionless table there are two masses , one of size m with velocity V0 (I'll call it the small mass) and one with mass M that is currently resting (the "big" mass). We connect a spring (with spring constant k,and l0 is its resting length) to the big mass so that the small one hits it and sticks to it, while not losing any energy.
What is the velocity of the big Mass as a function of its location regarding the center of mass? (After the collision)

My attempt: First of all, I know that the velocity of the CM is constant. I tried writing the energy equation and start from it:

E=0.5mV1^2+0.5MV2^2+0.5k(X2-X1-l0)^2 = 0.5mV0^2

V1-Speed of mass m, V2-Speed of mass M, X1,X2 - locations as above.

After rearranging the equation I only needed to find V1 but I failed to do so. I tried from the momentum equation but it didn't help.

Note: I am not suppose to solve any ODE or use the fact that we have harmonic movement.

*Also, Is there a guide on how to write math equations here?
 
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As a first step, I would introduce a variable for the position of the large mass relative to the common mass centre. You need this in the answer. You should be able to express the extension in terms of that.
The momentum conservation should give you a relationship between the two velocities, allowing you to eliminate the small mass velocity. What remains should be the equation you need.
 
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Noam M said:
went through all the similar questions in the forum and failed to find a similar one to mine.

Question: On a frictionless table there are two masses , one of size m with velocity V0 (I'll call it the small mass) and one with mass M that is currently resting (the "big" mass). We connect a spring (with spring constant k,and l0 is its resting length) to the big mass so that the small one hits it and sticks to it, while not losing any energy.
What is the velocity of the big Mass as a function of its location regarding the center of mass? (After the collision)
Okay, the wording of the question is a bit puzzling. How are we to interpret "its location regarding the center of mass"? Should we transform the problem to the center of mass frame first and then describe the motion? And by "after collision" do they mean the instant after the small block contact the spring, or after maximal compression of the spring, or perhaps when the spring first returns to its relaxed length? Something else?
My attempt: First of all, I know that the velocity of the CM is constant. I tried writing the energy equation and start from it:

E=0.5mV1^2+0.5MV2^2+0.5k(X2-X1-l0)^2 = 0.5mV0^2

V1-Speed of mass m, V2-Speed of mass M, X1,X2 - locations as above.

After rearranging the equation I only needed to find V1 but I failed to do so. I tried from the momentum equation but it didn't help.

Note: I am not suppose to solve any ODE or use the fact that we have harmonic movement.
So they want just an instantaneous velocity with respect to the center of mass at some instant?
*Also, Is there a guide on how to write math equations here?
Sure. Check the help section: LaTeX Primer
 

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1. What is the concept of "Two masses and a spring"?

The concept of "Two masses and a spring" is a simple physics system that is used to demonstrate the principles of oscillation and harmonic motion. It consists of two masses connected by a spring, with one mass attached to a fixed point and the other free to move along a horizontal surface.

2. How does the spring affect the motion of the masses?

The spring in this system acts as a restoring force, meaning it pulls the masses towards the equilibrium position when they are displaced. This results in oscillatory motion, where the masses move back and forth around the equilibrium point.

3. What factors affect the frequency of oscillation in this system?

The frequency of oscillation in this system is affected by the mass of the objects, the stiffness of the spring, and the amplitude of the oscillation. A heavier mass or stiffer spring will result in a higher frequency, while a larger amplitude will result in a lower frequency.

4. How does the initial displacement of the masses affect the motion?

The initial displacement of the masses determines the amplitude of the oscillation. A larger initial displacement will result in a larger amplitude, while a smaller initial displacement will result in a smaller amplitude. However, the frequency of oscillation will remain the same regardless of the initial displacement.

5. What real-life applications does this system have?

The "Two masses and a spring" system has various real-life applications, such as in the design of shock absorbers for vehicles, pendulum clocks, and musical instruments. It is also used in seismology to study earthquake waves and in studies of resonance in mechanical systems.

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