Two questions about Special Relativity

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around two questions related to Special Relativity: the origin of the symbol "c" for the speed of light and the mathematical necessity of squaring the speed of light in the equation E=mc² to derive energy from mass. The scope includes conceptual clarifications and mathematical reasoning.

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  • Conceptual clarification
  • Mathematical reasoning
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions why the speed of light is denoted by "c" instead of another letter, expressing curiosity about the precision in scientific notation.
  • Another participant provides a link to an external source discussing the term "c" and mentions that "celeritas" (Latin for speed) is often cited, but seeks clarification on what US scientists primarily consider it to represent.
  • A participant explains that the equation E=mc² indicates that a massive body at rest contains energy proportional to its mass, and that the units in E=mc do not make sense without the c² factor.
  • Another participant suggests that E=mc² is primarily about converting mass units to energy units, rather than conveying deeper physical insights, attributing the different units to historical reasons.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the interpretation of the symbol "c" and the implications of the equation E=mc². There is no consensus on the deeper significance of the squaring of the speed of light or the historical context of unit definitions.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note that the mathematical derivation of constants in the equation E=mc² is essential for understanding its implications, but the discussion does not resolve the underlying questions about the meaning of "c" or the necessity of squaring it.

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1) Why is the velocity of light called "c"? Okay, before you answer this, I am fully aware that the scientific community doesn't like questions that start with "why", but I just do not understand why it's not "v" or "q" or any other random letter. I've learned how precise scientists are with everything so there must be a reason why the velocity of light is represented by the letter "c" and not some other letter.

2) Why--again, I know Donis or Wannabe or Spam won't like this word, but I honestly can't think of the right word to use--is it that, mathematically speaking, the velocity of light must be squared and then mulitplied by the mass to derive the energy content of something? I mean, if the equation read E=MC, that would completely throw it all off, right? But what is about the squaring that makes things so much different?

If all this has been explained in another thread, please post a link. Otherwise, I look forward to your answers.
 
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Thanks, JT.

I thought about googling it, but I trust the people here more than I do google. That link is a little confusing. The "constant" word makes sense--light is the same speed in all frames--but celeritas (Latin for speed, according to the article) didn't make as much sense. What do most US scientists consider the letter c to represent, constant or celeritas?
 
49ers2013Champ said:
2) Why--again, I know Donis or Wannabe or Spam won't like this word, but I honestly can't think of the right word to use--is it that, mathematically speaking, the velocity of light must be squared and then mulitplied by the mass to derive the energy content of something? I mean, if the equation read E=MC, that would completely throw it all off, right? But what is about the squaring that makes things so much different?

If all this has been explained in another thread, please post a link. Otherwise, I look forward to your answers.

Well the units in E = mc don't make any sense. In any case, the real content to E = mc^2 is the fact that relativity implies a massive body at rest contains energy proportional to mass. Since E/m has units of velocity squared, really the only dimensionfull proportionality constant one could have for an object at zero velocity in relativity theory is c^2.

The real question is, why is it E = mc^2 rather than E = (1/2)mc^2 or some other constant in front? You really need to work out the math to find that the constant is exactly 1.

(note: I assume everywhere that m is defined as the rest mass)
 
49ers2013Champ said:
Why...is it that, mathematically speaking, the velocity of light must be squared and then mulitplied by the mass to derive the energy content of something?

Because all ##E = mc^2## is really telling you is how to convert from mass units to energy units. It's not really telling you anything about physics, just about the units we use. We normally use different units for mass and energy because of historical accident: we assigned units to mass and energy long before we realized that they were really just different forms of the same thing.
 

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