Two questions: Initial velocity and vehicle stopping distance

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The discussion revolves around two physics questions related to vehicle motion, specifically focusing on initial velocity and stopping distance. The original poster seeks assistance in understanding the calculations involved in determining the initial velocity required for a vehicle to reach a certain speed within a specified distance, as well as the implications of reaction time and braking distance in a real-world scenario.

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  • Participants explore the initial velocity needed for a vehicle to accelerate to 100 km/h within 38 meters, questioning the assumptions made about acceleration and distance. There is also discussion on the calculations for stopping distance, including the effects of reaction time and deceleration rates.

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Some participants provide calculations and suggest methods for determining the initial velocity and stopping distance. There is acknowledgment of the complexities involved in the problem, with various interpretations of the assumptions and parameters at play. Guidance has been offered regarding the maximum acceleration and the use of relevant equations, although no consensus has been reached on all aspects of the discussion.

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Participants note potential constraints such as the accuracy of assumed deceleration rates and the implications of reaction time on the overall calculations. The original poster expresses uncertainty about their logic and calculations, indicating a need for clarification on these points.

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Hi All,

It's been a looong time since I've had to use/apply basic physics but I'm hoping I've come to the right place for help.

I am trying to help my brother-in-law with a speeding charge.

First question
The police allege he reached 100km/h within 38m of a corner.

The first question relates to the initial velocity a vehicle would have needed to be traveling in order to reach 100km/h (27.8 m/s) in 38m.

I calculate that as this vehicle can accelerate from 0-100 km/h in 8.5, it would need 118.2m to get to 27.8 m/s from a standing start.

But I am unsure how to calculate what the initial velocity would need to be for this vehicle to reach 27.8 m/s in 40m.

Seconds question

The police also allege he was still traveling at 27.8 m/s 47m from a speed hump. Assuming 1 sec reaction time, I calculate that he would have been traveling at:

Formula used to calculate braking distance:

Vf2 = V02 - 2ad

where Vf is the final velocity, V0 is the initial velocity, a is the rate of deceleration and d is the distance traveled during deceleration. Since Vf will be zero when the car has stopped:

d = v02 / 2a

(I've assumed a = 10 m/s - is this realistic?)

d = 772.8 / 20 = 38.6m

Stopping distance incl. 1 sec reaction time = 38.6m + 27.8m = 66.4m

So, velocity after 47m braking:

Vf = Sq root (V02 - 2ad)

= Sq root (772.8 -2 x 10 x 19.2)
= 19.7 m/s
= 71 km/h

(where d = 47 metres minus the reaction distance of 27.8 metres = 19.2 metres)

At 71 km/h he would have done some serious damage to his car.

Thanks for your help - I apologise for my slopping logic in advance :smile:
 
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For your first problem, what would be the maximum speed the car could accelerate to from rest in 40m? :)
 
first question - Since the initial acceleration is greater than the final acceleration to reach 100 kph in 8.5 seconds, more time is spent at higher speed, so it would take more than 118 meters to accelerate from 0 to 100 kph. I'm not sure this matters, since 100 kph = 27.8 m/s, and at that speed traveling 38 meters would only take 1.37 seconds. Unless this is a very high powered car, acceleration from 80 kph to 100 kph would probably take more than 2 seconds and more than 50 meters. I'm assuming the corner could not be exited at 80 kph.

second question - reaction time isn't a factor, assuming the driver could see the speed bump well before he needed to apply the brakes. An average hard braking deceleration rate would be around 7 m / s2.
 
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In the first question, you have everything correct, so far.

Next, you need to calculate the car's maximum acceleration rate (based on 0-100 km/h in 8.5 sec). So, divide 27.8 m/s by 8.5 s to get 3.27 m/s/s.

Now, use
{V_f}^2 = {V_i}^2 + 2ad
to determine the initial velocity required to reach 100 km/h in 38 m.

Plugging in your values, we get
(27.8\ m/s)^2 = {V_i}^2 + (2)(3.27\ m/s/s) (38\ m)

Solving for Vi, we get
V_i = \sqrt{27.8^2 - (2) (3.27) (38)}\ \ m/s
V_i \approx 22.9\ m/s
Which works out to approximately 82.3 km/h


He must have been screamin' around that corner!
 
Thanks for the help guys!
 

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