Two questions on electrostatics

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The discussion revolves around concepts in electrostatics, specifically the derivation of the potential of a point charge and the behavior of electric fields within conductors.

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  • The original poster attempts to understand the relationship between differential elements in the context of electric potential and questions why the differential displacement in the radial direction is not equivalent to the line element of the path taken.
  • Participants discuss the nature of the electric field inside a conductor, questioning whether it is a proven theorem or merely empirical.

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Some participants have provided clarifications regarding the vector relationships in spherical coordinates and the conditions under which the electric field is zero inside a conductor. However, there is no explicit consensus on the proof of the theorem regarding electric fields in conductors.

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The original poster's questions indicate a need for deeper understanding of vector calculus in electrostatics and the fundamental principles governing electric fields in conductors.

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Hi,
I'm a bit stuck with some things in electrostatics.

My first problem:

in my textbook, when they try to derivate the formula for the potential of a point charge: [tex]V(b) = - \int E.d\mathbf{l} = -\frac{q}{4 \pi \varepsilon_0} \int_\infty^b \frac{1}{r^3} \mathbf{r}.d \mathbf{l}[/tex]

they say that [tex]\mathbf{r}.d \mathbf{l} = r.dr[/tex]
There's also a picture which looks like this:

http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/6044/charge3zj.jpg

My question is: Why isn't [tex]d \mathbf{r} = d \mathbf{l}[/tex] ? Why does [tex]d \mathbf{r}[/tex] have the same direction as [tex]\mathbf{r}[/tex] ?

My second problem:

There is some law or theorem which says that there is no electric field inside a conductor. Can this be proved, or is it just an empirical law?
 
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The dl is a line element of the path you are taking to evaluate the integral (it doesn't matter what path you take), just some path from infinity to b.
[tex]\vec r[/tex] is a vector pointing in the direction of the electric field (if the charge is positive), thus in the radial direction.
The line element in spherical coordinates is something like [tex]d\vec l = dr\hat r+rd\theta \hat \theta+r\sin \theta d\phi \hat \phi[/itex], so [tex]\vec r \cdot d\vec l=rdr[/tex].[/tex]
 
r4nd0m said:
There is some law or theorem which says that there is no electric field inside a conductor. Can this be proved, or is it just an empirical law?

Well, you need to be a bit more precise. The electric field is zero in a region completely surrounded by a conductor, provided there is no charge enclosed in that region.

It can be proved easily using the first uniqueness theorem.
 
great, thank you very much for your help.
 

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