Two ropes pulling on a cylinder that is translating and rotating on a plane

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The discussion revolves around solving a problem involving a cylinder being pulled by two ropes while translating and rotating on a plane. The user presents two approaches to calculate forces and torques, yielding different results for static and dynamic conditions. In the first approach, they derive a minimum mass condition for the cylinder based on static friction, while the second approach calculates the acceleration of the cylinder using kinetic friction. There is some debate about the correctness of using angular acceleration in the second approach, with one participant expressing a preference for a different method that leads to a negative acceleration value. Overall, the calculations and methods presented are being validated by peers in the forum.
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Homework Statement
A homogeneous cylinder with radius ##R## and mass ##M## is resting on a plane as shown in the figure. A rope (rope ##1##), which is inextensible and has negligible mass, is attached to the center of mass of the cylinder. The other end of this rope (through an ideal pulley) holds a body with a mass of ##m = 50.0 kg##. A second rope (rope 2), also inextensible and of negligible mass, is wrapped around a groove of radius ##r = R/2## and has one of its ends fixed to a nearby wall (see figure).

Given that rope ##2## cannot slip relative to the groove of the cylinder and that the coefficients of static and kinetic friction between the cylinder and the supporting plane are ##\mu_s = 0.300 ## and ## \mu_k = 0.200 ##, determine:

a) The values of ## M ## for which the system can remain in static equilibrium.

Finally, in the case where ## M = 20.0 ## kg, determine:
b) The acceleration ## a ## with which the hanging mass descends.

(For the calculation of the moment of inertia of the cylinder, do not take the groove into account)
Relevant Equations
##\tau=\vec{r}\times\vec{F}=I \alpha##, ##\vec{F}=m \vec{a}##
I have solved the problem, but I am not sure if my solution is correct, so I would appreciate if someone would double check it. Thanks

(a) Using an inertial reference frame in which the ##x## axis points to the left and the ##y## axis points downwards and computing the torques with respect to the point of contact between the cylinder and the floor, I get:
$$
\begin{cases}
T_1-T_2-f_s=0, \\
N=Mg,\\
RT_1-(R+r)T_2=0,\\
T_1=mg
\end{cases}$$, which implies that ##f_s=\frac{r}{r+R}mg \leq \mu_s Mg \Rightarrow M \geq \frac{r}{\mu_s (R+r)} m=\frac{m}{3 \mu_s}\approx 55.6 kg##

(b) Using the same frame of reference as in (a), but now computing the torques with respect to the center of mass I get:

$$
\begin{cases}
T_1-T_2-f_d=M a, \\
N=Mg,\\
Rf_d-rT_2=-\frac{MR^2}{2}|\alpha|,\\
T_1=m(g-a),\\
|\alpha|=\frac{a}{r}
\end{cases}$$, from which it follows that ##a=\frac{m-3\mu_k M}{m+3M}g \approx 3.40 m/s^2.##

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Your work looks correct to me.
 
Me too, but I'd prefer not to use ##|\alpha|##. Taking the usual convention of anticlockwise positive and positive to the right for the acceleration we can write
##Rf_d-rT_2=\frac{MR^2}{2}\alpha##
##a=r\alpha##
leading to a negative value for a.
 
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