Two values for m for which a line is tangent to a parabola

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The problem involves finding two values of m for which the line y=mx-12 is tangent to the parabola y=x^2-3x+5. The context is within a math competition setting, focusing on the relationship between linear and quadratic functions.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to find the derivative of the parabola to establish the slope of the tangent line and equate the two equations to find points of intersection. Some participants confirm the correctness of this approach, while others introduce an alternative method involving the discriminant of a quadratic equation to determine tangency conditions.

Discussion Status

The discussion includes multiple approaches to the problem, with some participants affirming the original poster's method and others providing an alternative perspective. There is no explicit consensus, but productive dialogue is occurring around the methods used to analyze the problem.

Contextual Notes

Participants are navigating through the implications of the discriminant in relation to the tangency of the line and parabola, questioning the assumptions about the conditions under which the line intersects the parabola.

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Homework Statement



Hi! I am doing some problems to practice for a math competition, and I'm wondering if I did this correctly. I don't really have an answer sheet, so I have no way of knowing whether I'm right. If you would please review it, that would be cool!

It reads:

There are exactly two values of m for which the line y=mx-12 is tangent to the parabola y=x^2-3x+5. Determine those two values.

Homework Equations



y=mx-12
y=x^2-3x+5

The Attempt at a Solution



Okay so first I found the derivative of y=x^2-3x+5.

y'=2x-3

This is the slope, so I put it into the equation of the tangent line:

y=mx-12=(2x-3)x-12=2x^2-3x-12 <-- the tangent line

Now I made the the two equations equal to each other because they intersect at one point, right?

so:

x^2-3x+5=2x^2-3x-12

and when I solve for x it gives me +/- √17

I put this into the equation for the slope and I get:

m= 2√17 -3 or m=-2√17 -3

Is this correct? Thank you in advance.
 
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Looks correct to me
 
Another way to do it (used by Fermat previous to the development of calculus):
To find where the line y= mx- 12 crosses the parabola y= x^2- 2x+ 5, solve the equation mx- 12= x^2- 2x+ 5 or x^2- (m+ 3)x+ 17= 0

The "discriminant" of that equation is (m+3)^2- 4(1)(17)= m^2+ 6m+ 9- 68= m^2+ 6x- 59. The line will not touch the parabola at all if the equation has no real roots- if the discriminant is negative. It will cross through the parabola if the equation has two real roots- if the discriminant is positive. It will touch the parabola once (be tangent to the parabola) if the equation has a single root- if the discriminant is zero.

Thus, the line y= mx- 12 will be tangent to the parabola y= x^2- 2x+ 5 if and only if m^2+ 6m- 59= 0. That is the same as the equation you got and, yes, it has roots -3\pm 2\sqrt{17}.
 
Nathanael said:
Looks correct to me


Thanks!
 
HallsofIvy said:
Another way to do it (used by Fermat previous to the development of calculus):
To find where the line y= mx- 12 crosses the parabola y= x^2- 2x+ 5, solve the equation mx- 12= x^2- 2x+ 5 or x^2- (m+ 3)x+ 17= 0

The "discriminant" of that equation is (m+3)^2- 4(1)(17)= m^2+ 6m+ 9- 68= m^2+ 6x- 59. The line will not touch the parabola at all if the equation has no real roots- if the discriminant is negative. It will cross through the parabola if the equation has two real roots- if the discriminant is positive. It will touch the parabola once (be tangent to the parabola) if the equation has a single root- if the discriminant is zero.

Thus, the line y= mx- 12 will be tangent to the parabola y= x^2- 2x+ 5 if and only if m^2+ 6m- 59= 0. That is the same as the equation you got and, yes, it has roots -3\pm 2\sqrt{17}.


Ouuuu interesting. Thank you :)
 

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