Two vertical stabilizers on the F-22 Raptor angled

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The discussion centers around the design of the F-22 Raptor's angled vertical stabilizers, exploring the reasons behind their configuration, including considerations of stealth, stability, and aerodynamic performance. Participants examine the implications of these design choices in the context of military aircraft engineering.

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  • Some participants suggest that the angled stabilizers are primarily a stealth consideration, as right angles can reflect radar signals directly back to the source.
  • Others argue that the design may also enhance stability, particularly at high angles of attack, by avoiding interference from wing vortices.
  • A participant questions the stealth argument, noting that other aircraft with angled tails, like the F-18, were designed before stealth methodologies were fully developed.
  • One participant cites a wind tunnel expert who explains that the arrangement of vertical tails helps mitigate buffeting and ensures control authority across various flight conditions.
  • Some participants acknowledge that while stealth is a factor, the design also relates to historical concerns about radar cross-section and structural integrity.
  • There is a discussion about the SR-71's design and its radar signature, with differing views on its effectiveness as a stealth aircraft compared to later designs like the F-117.
  • Multiple references to literature and external sources are made to support various claims regarding the design rationale behind canted vertical tails.

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Participants express differing views on the primary motivations for the F-22's stabilizer design, with some emphasizing stealth and others focusing on stability and historical design practices. No consensus is reached regarding the relative importance of these factors.

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Participants note that the discussion involves complex aerodynamic principles and historical design considerations, with references to specific aircraft and their design timelines. The conversation reflects ongoing debates about the evolution of stealth technology and its integration into aircraft design.

  • #61


mugaliens said:
"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F-15_Silent_Eagle#Design_and_development"."

Canted in or out doesn't matter.

The F-15SE's vertical stabs are, as Cyrus mentioned, canted out to reduce vortex issues, as delta or pseudo-delta's tend to "sit" in slow flight, and inward-canted vert stabs exacerbate the problem. The '-71 experienced this issue with the 'Q during refueling, but it wasn't insurmountable.

I think the main lesson is, don't have them vertical: but can't them inward or outward depending on what the aerodynamics favors (for a similarly obtainably RCS in either configuration).

Edit: While I don't necessarily doubt the claim by Boeing that the angle decreases RCS, I also don't put it past them to lie and say this to boost sales of the aircraft. Without actual comparison of RCS of the E and SE models to actually show if the tail works - be skeptical.
 
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Cyrus said:
I think the main lesson is, don't have them vertical: but can't them inward or outward depending on what the aerodynamics favors (for a similarly obtainably RCS in either configuration).

Edit: While I don't necessarily doubt the claim by Boeing that the angle decreases RCS, I also don't put it past them to lie and say this to boost sales of the aircraft. Without actual comparison of RCS of the E and SE models to actually show if the tail works - be skeptical.

It's not that they're vertical, but that they're not at 90 deg angles to the wings. That said, canting inward is better for deflection against ground-based radars, but worse for low-level operation against lookdown radars.

The SR-71 did not employ radar absorbant material, so canting was their only option given the high heat-resistant requirements, and given their high-altitude profile, canting inward was the better stealth choice, even if it resulted in slightly degraded slow flight performance (drivers said "it wallowed").

The F-15SE's operating environment is less heat-restrictive, allowing the use of far better radar-absorbing materials (though some are simply translucent or transparent to radar).

I agree Boeing is in the market, but given their engineering expertise, they have little need of stretching the truth. I think they're main goal is to sell it as a much lower-cost but nearly capable alternative to the far more expensive F-22 and F35.

Besides - we have lots of potential targets around the world that don't require "the best of the best of the best" in technology. Just look at how admirably Sandy's (A-1 variants) and similar aircraft performed in Vietnam. It was a 40's-era plane that kicked butt twenty years later!

Interestingly enough, the plethora of variants created somewhat of a maintenance nightmare. Fortunately, most of the versions involved ancillary equipment to the basic airframe and powerplant. Still, it was a lesson in how not to modify an aircraft into every conceivable role.
 

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