Question for Aerodyamicist on Vertical Stabilizer Icing

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the absence of anti-ice protection on the vertical stabilizers of many jet and turbo-prop aircraft, particularly those with T-tails. Participants explore the aerodynamic reasons behind this phenomenon and the implications of icing on aircraft performance.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions why many aircraft, especially those with T-tails, lack anti-ice protection on vertical stabilizers, suggesting a potential aerodynamic reason.
  • Another participant argues that vertical stabilizers can collect ice, but the impact is often not severe enough to warrant the weight of an anti-ice system. They note that some aircraft do have such systems, indicating variability based on design.
  • A follow-up question is posed regarding whether T-tail configurations provide any advantages related to icing on vertical stabilizers.
  • One participant states they are unaware of any specific benefits of T-tail configurations concerning icing issues, clarifying that T-tails primarily benefit the horizontal stabilizer by avoiding downwash from the main wing.
  • Another participant mentions that smaller jets typically experience fewer icing problems compared to larger jets and often cannot justify the weight of de-icing equipment.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the effects of icing on vertical stabilizers and the necessity of anti-ice systems. There is no consensus on the aerodynamic implications of T-tail configurations regarding icing.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge that the effects of ice can vary significantly based on aircraft geometry and design, but specific assumptions or conditions regarding these effects remain unresolved.

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Can someone explain why a lot of jet and turbo-prop aircraft do not have anti-ice protection on the vertical stabilizer, particularly those aircraft with T-tails? Obviously, it is because the Vertical Stab on these aircraft are not prone to collecting ice, but my question is WHY is this so? Is there some aerodynamic reason for this? I'm just a pilot guy, not a scientist or engineer, so please anser accordingly! Thanks.
 
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The vertical stabilizer can certainly collect ice. It just happens that in a lot of cases the effect of ice forming on the vertical stabilizer is not serious enough to justify the extra weight that the additional ice protection system would add. Some aircraft do have ice protection systems on the vert stabilizer. It just depends on the aircraft. Ice affects every geometry differently there are some airfoils/wings that barely suffer from even large ice shapes and then there are airfoils/wings that become completely useless with even the smallest amount of ice.
 
RandomGuy88 said:
The vertical stabilizer can certainly collect ice. It just happens that in a lot of cases the effect of ice forming on the vertical stabilizer is not serious enough to justify the extra weight that the additional ice protection system would add. Some aircraft do have ice protection systems on the vert stabilizer. It just depends on the aircraft. Ice affects every geometry differently there are some airfoils/wings that barely suffer from even large ice shapes and then there are airfoils/wings that become completely useless with even the smallest amount of ice.

Thanks for the reply! Does a T-Tail have any "beneficial" effect re: icing problems (or lack thereof) on the vertical stabilizer? It just seems like a lot of smaller turbo-prop and corporate type jets with T-Tails do NOT have ice protection on their vert stabs.
 
I am not aware of any advantage that a T-Tail configuration would give the vertical stabilizer. The t-tail configuration helps the horizontal stabilizer by bringing it out of the downwash of the main wing.
 
A lot of small jets don't see as big of problems with icing as the larger jets do. Nor, usually, can they justify the weight of deicing equipment.
 

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