U(2) charge commutator being zero

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The discussion revolves around the properties of the U(2) charge commutator, particularly in relation to the commutation relations of Noether charges and their implications for the structure of U(2) and SU(2). Participants explore the relationship between these algebras and the physical interpretations of the charges involved.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that for SU(2), all Noether charges commute with one of the charges due to the presence of the identity generator in the Lie algebra, seeking clarification on its relation to SU(2) properties.
  • Another participant suggests that the generators of SU(2) can be represented by the Pauli matrices, indicating a potential confusion regarding the algebraic structure.
  • A later post corrects the focus to U(2) and describes the U(2) algebra's commutation relations, highlighting that the T_{i} generators of SU(2) commute with the U(1) generator B, suggesting a direct product structure of U(2) as SU(2) × U(1).
  • The same participant explains that this structure implies particles in an SU(2) multiplet mix under SU(2) transformations but not under U(1) transformations, providing an example with protons and neutrons having different SU(2) charges but the same U(1) charge representing baryon number.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relationship between SU(2) and U(2), with some confusion regarding the generators and their representations. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of the commutation relations and their interpretations.

Contextual Notes

There is a lack of clarity on the definitions and assumptions regarding the generators of U(2) and SU(2), as well as the specific implications of the commutation relations on physical interpretations.

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Hi,
For SU(2) I can have that all Noether charges commute with one of the charges as one of the generators of the Lie algebra is the identity.
Can somebody explain me how this is related to the properties of SU(2)?
Charges can be considered to be generators of the transformation. So if this commutation [Qi,Qj]=0 what does this mean?
Many thanks.
 
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and yet, I thought that you can show that in a given basis the generators of SU(2) were the Pauli matrices ... (?)
 
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sorry i meant U(2) from the title!
 
kuecken said:
sorry i meant U(2) from the title!

The U(2) algebra is given by [Q_{a} , Q_{b}] = i \epsilon_{4 a b c} Q_{c}, \ \ (a,b,c) = 1, 2, \cdots , 4 . If we call Q_{4} = B and Q_{i} = T_{i} for i = 1, 2, 3, then the above algebra is equivalent to [T_{i} , T_{j}] = i \epsilon_{i j k} T_{k} , \ \ \ [T_{i} , B] = 0 . Clearly, the T_{i}’s generate the Lie algebra of SU(2) which commutes with the Lie algebra of U(1) generated by the B. This simply means that we can write U(2) as direct product of the two commuting groups SU(2) \times U(1). This, in turn, means that particles in an SU(2) multiplet (say the fundamental representation ( p , n ) ) mix under SU(2) transformations but do not do so under the U(1) transformations. In other words, p and n have different SU(2) charges T_{i}(in particular T_{3}(p) + T_{3}(n) = 0) but the same U(1) charge, B(p) = B(n). If, p and n represent the proton and neutron fields, then the U(1) charge B represents the Baryon (Fermion) number.

Sam
 
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