Charge of the W bosons in the Higgs Mechanism

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the charge of the W bosons (W+ and W-) in the context of the Higgs mechanism and spontaneous symmetry breaking in the electroweak theory. Participants seek to understand the relationships between the gauge bosons, their charges, and the role of the Higgs field, focusing on qualitative explanations rather than detailed equations.

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  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about how the W+ and W- bosons acquire their charges during spontaneous symmetry breaking, noting the role of the Higgs field and the covariant derivative.
  • Another participant explains that the photon field is a linear combination of the B boson and the W0 boson, and that the Higgs vacuum expectation value (VEV) remains invariant under a specific combination of transformations, leading to the photon being massless.
  • There is a discussion about the distinction between the B boson and the photon, with one participant noting that they are associated with different U(1) groups and that the Higgs VEV breaks the original symmetries but leaves a particular U(1) subgroup unbroken.
  • A participant questions the source of the charges for the W bosons, drawing a comparison to fermions and the role of the Higgs field in conserving hypercharge during chirality changes.
  • Another participant clarifies that U(1)em is the unbroken subgroup of SU(2)xU(1)Y, and discusses how the W0 boson becomes part of the photon and Z boson, while the W+ and W- charges arise from the non-abelian nature of SU(2).
  • One participant emphasizes that the generators of the symmetry groups are the charges, and that gauge bosons couple to these conserved charges.
  • A later reply suggests exploring the action of the charge operator on the W bosons as a potential avenue for understanding.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of understanding and confusion regarding the relationships between the gauge bosons and their charges. There is no consensus on the specific mechanisms by which the W bosons acquire their charges, and multiple competing views remain regarding the roles of the Higgs field and the symmetry groups involved.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the complexity of the relationships between the gauge bosons and their charges, as well as the dependence on specific definitions of the symmetry groups and their generators. Some participants express uncertainty about the implications of the Higgs mechanism for bosons compared to fermions.

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I am confused about how the gauge boson W+ and W- get their charge under spontaneous symmetry breaking in the Higgs mechanism. Here's what I have so far:

The covariant derivative for a SU(2)⊗U(1) is

DμΦ = (∂μ + igWμiσi/2 + ig'Bμ)Φ where g and g' are coupling constants.

SU(2) is associated with weak isospin and the W0, W1 and W2 gauge fields.
U(1) is associated with weak hypercharge and the B gauge field.
The Higgs field, Φ, is a doublet and has a weak hypercharge of 1.

SU(2)⊗U(1) -> U(1) yields W0, W1 and W2 bosons and a B Boson.

W1 and W2 combine to give W+, W-, W0 and B combine to give a photon and a Z boson.

W+ somehow gets a charge of 1
W- somehow gets a charge of -1

Can somebody explain how all these things play with each other to produce the end result. I am looking for a qualitative explanation rather than a mass of equations. One of my key sticking points is the difference between a B boson and a photon since they both are associated with U(1).
 
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The photon field ##A_\mu## is a linear combination of ##B_\mu## and ##W^0_\mu##. The idea is that the Higgs VEV changes under a SU(2) transformation or a U(1) transformation, but there is a particular combination of an SU(2) rotation and a U(1) rotation that leaves the Higgs VEV invariant. Therefore that symmetry is unbroken and the corresponding field ##A_\mu## remains massless.

The fact that the W is charged just means that it interacts with the photon field. We know that the W should interact with the photon because the original SU(2) group is nonabelian, so it has interactions between the three SU(2) gauge bosons. Part of the field ##A_\mu## comes from the SU(2) gauge field ##W^0_\mu##, which interacts with the ##W^+_\mu## and ##W^-_\mu## fields via the original SU(2) self-couplings.

It really is helpful to slog through the equations here, but that's the high-level view.
 
nigelscott said:
One of my key sticking points is the difference between a B boson and a photon since they both are associated with U(1).

These are different U(1) groups. Before EWSB, the electroweak sector has an unbroken SU(2)xU(1) gauge group. The Higgs vev breaks both the SU(2) and the U(1) symmetries, but leaves a particular U(1) subgroup unbroken, this subgroup is not the original hypercharge U(1).
 
OK. This might be an iterative process for me. Are you saying SU(2)U(1)γ -> U(1)em but there is a subgroup of U(1)em that is still has unbroken symmetry (the photon field)? But I still don't get where the charges for the W0, W1, W2 boson comes from. In the case of fermions, the Higgs field swaps its hypercharge to conserve the particle hypercharge as its chirality changes. Is this mechanism in any way involved with the bosons? Sorry if I am somewhat ignorant about this. I am a retired engineer with a background in QM not Group Theory.
 
nigelscott said:
but there is a subgroup of U(1)em that is still has unbroken symmetry (the photon field)?

No, the U(1)em is the unbroken subgroup of SU(2)xU(1)Y. The corresponding generator is the photon.

nigelscott said:
But I still don't get where the charges for the W0, W1, W2 boson comes from.

The W0 does not become charged, it becomes part of the photon and Z boson. The W+ and W- charges arise as a remnant of the W1 and W2 interactions with the W0, which is due to the SU(2) being non-abelian, and the photon being part W0.
 
The generator of the symmetry groups are the charges, not the gauge bosons. The latter couple to the conserved charges (usually via minimal coupling). This charge conservation is a necessary (but not sufficient) condition for invariance under the local gauge transformations.
 
Why don't you try to act with the charge operator on W+,W- ?
 

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