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U.S. versus Canadian Universities

  1. Jul 7, 2007 #1
    If someone graduates from a 3 year Community College Program in Ontario they will be accepted into 3rd year at the U.S.A universities, while they would be accepted into 2nd year in Ontario, why?
    More rigorous programs in Ontario?
    Community Colleges do not have Calculus II, Physics, Chemistry, Linear Algebra, Vector Calculus for EE , how those graduates are OK to attend 3rd year program in USA? impossible in Ontario.

    I guess in USA everything is seen through $ sign?
    Ontario universities are public U, not private.
     
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  3. Jul 7, 2007 #2
    No, American universities overall are not worse than Canadian universities. This is just something Canadians like to believe.

    And many American community colleges offer all of the courses you list. Get your facts straight next time. No American engineering program would accept someone from CC as a 3rd year transfer student unless all of the fundamental math (calc 1-3, diffEQ, linear alg), physics (basic E&M, mechanics, etc), and chemistry up through the 2nd year were satisfied. I don't see any American university letting people transfer in as 3rd year students and let them take 3rd year coursework without having the necessary pre-req mathematics and physics.

    I would even say that some of the best American universities are as good as if not better than some of the best Canadian universities. *gasp*
     
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  4. Jul 7, 2007 #3

    FredGarvin

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    You need to talk to Danger about the issues with posting drunk.

    Brainiac...comunity colleges are public universities.
     
  5. Jul 7, 2007 #4
    Still, at the end, everything revolves around money.
     
  6. Jul 7, 2007 #5

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    Not in Canada.

    Although the two sytems are in the process of moving a little closer together, here (Canada), the (public) community college system and the (public) university system are still quite different.

    Edit: I don't have much to say about the title of the thread, but I will say that in terms of fundamental physics research performed at universities, the U.S. is by far the dominant country in the world.
     
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  7. Jul 7, 2007 #6
    Institutions like Harvard, John Hopkins, MIT, Stanford, Berkley etc. carry allot more weight than any Canadian university.
     
  8. Jul 8, 2007 #7
    Canada will never have a Harvard or a Stanford because 100 - 150 years ago when these schools were beginning to grow Canada just didn't have the population or industrial wealth to support such an institution.

    The top schools in Canada (UBC, U of T, McGill) compare with top public schools in the US - U Michigan or UCLA. But tuition is a lot cheaper in Canada!

    I would speculate that undergraduate physics education in Canada is far more uniform in quality than undergraduate education in the US. A friend of mine from a decent US liberal arts college was about a year behind the Canadian students when he started grad school in Canada.
     
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  9. Jul 8, 2007 #8

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    My experience of Canada is as you say that good Canadian universities are equivalent to good US public U. It seems to be Candian policy to offer 'good' level courses at each place rather than have particular universities specialise in areas and become centres of excellence as in the Uk/Australia.
    This may be because they realise that top researchers in a field would always be poached by US institutes or maybe it's just the Canadian way!
     
  10. Jul 8, 2007 #9
    Also, many Americans have never even heard of University of Toronto, but most Canadians have heard of Harvard, Stanford, Yale, and Princeton.

    Many Canadians will just come back and say it is because Americans are stupider of less educated. Canada is a great country so I don't understand why Canadians seem to have such an inferiority complex.
     
  11. Jul 8, 2007 #10

    morphism

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    I got into a few American schools (including Princeton, for those who care about 'big names') but chose to go to the University of Waterloo in Ontario. Three years later, I'm confident I made the right choice. I can't imagine a better place for undergrad math.
     
  12. Jul 8, 2007 #11

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    Um... the MEDIA! DUH!

    Ask any real educated students and they definitely know about Waterloo, UofT, and UBC. Ask kids with brains.

    Lots of people here have no idea what MIT is. Why? THE MEDIA DOESN'T SHOW THAT SCHOOL OFTEN!
     
  13. Jul 8, 2007 #12
    MIT is pretty well known... more so than any Canadian university.
     
  14. Jul 8, 2007 #13
    This debate can only be taken to people foreign to the continent, seeing as how this thread seems like only americans & canadians postings.
    I can speak for my aunts/uncles who only want to send their children to american schools though i odn't see why but one reason is $$$.

    As for canadians, we here alot about these american schools because some of our professors come from these schools and like JasonRox says we see them in movies alot even though some of these movies are filmed in canada.
    And obviously read about some of the in scientific magazines.

    Also I guess it would also depend on the field you were going to...

    for mathematics waterloo seems to be as good as any american school especially in cs/math interdisplinary programme.

    For psychology if you haven't heard of mcgill, LOL (and i'd dalhousie or mcmaster might be up there)

    and I'd be surprised how many people don't know about UfT or UBC.

    i'm pretty sure UCalgary is known for graphics.

    As for MIT...the only reason we know about it is because other people talk about it but do we really know why? I only know the existence of the Media laboratory for AI.

    In the states,whats the differences between a college and a university?
     
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  15. Jul 8, 2007 #14
    Overall I would say they are. There are a few really good ones for the rich kids & lousy ones for the rest.

    That's the difference. An undergrad degree is pretty much the same across canada. In the US it makes a huge difference if your dad is extremely well off. In the US universities can be great or lousy (depending on how much cash you have), but in Canada they're average at worst. A degree from one university is the same as one from another.

    It's the Canadian way for education to be accessible whether or not you come from a wealthy family if that's what you mean.

    That means absolutely nothing. Is that supposed to be funny? (actually it is, it indicates the state of english education in the US :biggrin:) Some Americans can't even find their own country on a map, so how would you expect them to have heard of U of Toronto or any other Canadian school? & I had no idea Canadians had an inferiority complex. :confused: Plenty of Canadians know there are world-class universities here. It's the Americans who don't have a clue about Canada, or any other country for that matter.
     
  16. Jul 8, 2007 #15
    I suggest locking this thread, nothing good is coming out of it.
     
  17. Jul 9, 2007 #16

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    i agree. this thread has had no useful purpose since the initial post.
     
  18. Jul 9, 2007 #17
    well lets hope people who aren't american or canadian post their opinions to better understand how different countries perceives another country's education and by what criteria they based their opinions by.
     
  19. Jul 9, 2007 #18
    Some of the most ignorant people I've come across on the internet have been Canadians. It's like, what are they breeding up there?

    -accepting pseudo-medicine
    -anti-technology
    -criticizing "western" science
    -environmental idealism
    -economic ignorance
    -CBC lovers
    -hyper pride about not being American

    what a silly country
     
  20. Jul 9, 2007 #19
    Oh god... lock it already.
     
  21. Jul 9, 2007 #20

    mgb_phys

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    Universities in Europe are accessible too - what I meant was that eg. Holland decided that it is a small country and cannot do everything and so decided to concentrate on certain areas (my own branch of astrononomy being one) that it was world class in and increase funding to these while closing departments that were merely ordinary.
    Similairly I think the Australian competative nature means it has a number of universities that fight hard to be world class in certain areas.
    Canada seems comfortable having fairly uniform equal status institutes.
     
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